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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    Quote Originally Posted by drinkingmymilk View Post
    This.

    I love the TTD org. The people are great, my friends all ride there, my dog even knows the staff and I love going to the track with them. I know exactly what I'm getting buying a day from Tony but to hit the $175 mark I need to spend $1750 a year. I've said it before and I'd say it again to me the sweet spot would be something around $75 a month and 5 days. It works out to $180 a day vs but you get the commitment of 5 days being sold and I'd gladly hand over my CC number vs. surfing for deals all the time.

    Surfing to deals landed me to Fishtail for a date this year that was no frills and $170. I thought it was perfect.
    yup.. i was at the no frills FT event too... it was awesome

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    So was I, great day.

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I just did the math. $209.17/day for the TTDs I did in 2014. That includes the $15 paypal surcharge because I waited until the 11th hour. Not quite the bang/buck I hoped for, but not bad either. For that I got track days that run like clockwork. And a ton of classroom time with very good instructors and control riders.

    Fishtail is the only org that I know of that runs at NHMS that I have not done a day with. They've been highly recommended to me, but I just can't handle their cost. Someone said TTD is at the top of the price range. But they aren't. Fishtail beats 'em here. I see they added a 'no frills' day for downright reasonable money. That's great. But it was only one day and only at CT. I know they serve food. But honestly, I'll keep my $$ and brown bag it, thanks. A shame too because I have a coworker which pretty much only rides with them, and I'd love to do a day with him.

    I am also excited about the new tracks (Palmer and most especially Tamworth).

    yes.. true.. i think FT is the most expensive.. I dont want anyone to think im complaining about ttd.. as far as the process and how its run. TTD's are awesome.. I have done a few.
    but other than FT i believe TTD is up there... if anyone here has done a NYST member day and a TTD day, then you will know what I mean with the confusion with the trackday.
    for example, there was no class time.. the flags and rules were done really quick and no one really went over where to enter/exit the track. not an issue for me as i have done enough tdays to know
    but imagine a hand full of people that went to nyst for their 1st time..

    the no frills was awesome on the wallet.. so is NYST but sadly for me NYST is a 4 hour hike. for some people, its definitely obvious that the membership is the way to go.
    i only have single income right now with a wife n kid so i have to look for deals..

    unless someone wants to give me free track days for free car maintenance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pinned View Post
    I'm a big fan of NYST's pricing structure. Cut out the middle man, pass on savings to rider. They also have some good coaches.

    lou is a joke

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    I understand that the TTD org doesn't fit everyone's needs.

    TTD has been around for 18 years now. We went through lots of lean years and several different "formulas".

    I've learned that the quickest way to failure is to try to be everything to everyone.

    Our target customer is one that wants the most number of quality laps for their trackday dollar. Experienced trackday riders usually come to realize that a low trackday price does not always get you the lowest dollar per track mile.

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    This made me chuckle. In a good way.
    Did Bomo do something like this and have issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkingmymilk View Post
    Did Bomo do something like this and have issues?
    We had what I believe was the first "pay as you go" membership program. I don't think there have been any since. We had about 30 people on it and it worked quite well. Like anything new, it had its problems. Mainly due to credit/debit cards being declined from time to time.

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    I was not around for that. How did it work?

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    One of the big problems is the laws surrounding keeping people's credit card info.

    This is why you have to enter your card info every time you buy a trackday. We cannot "keep it on file".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lxpony View Post
    The fact is that TTD has an actual business model and Tony is a business man first, rider second. I rode with Bomo a few years ago, they are great guys but Tony has a monopoly on the Northeast track day game.
    This is fair comment. We had hundreds of hours of business planning though. There are many factors influencing our success or failure. Lack of a plan was not one of them. We had some challenged placed in front of us and met every one of them. We never cancelled a day due to low sign - ups and we can always say that we did things right, didn't cut any corners and offered quality track time at every event we ran.
    No one knows what obstacles we faced and there were some pretty shitty things done to us over the 4 years we ran trackdays.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTD View Post
    One of the big problems is the laws surrounding keeping people's credit card info.

    This is why you have to enter your card info every time you buy a trackday. We cannot "keep it on file".

    As long as you have permission from the cardholder and you store the numbers securely (safe, not electronically) it's legal. Numbers have to be shredded when no longer needed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I was not around for that. How did it work?
    In a nutshell, pay for example $80 per month over 12 months and have access to 5 trackdays over that year. Other member perks were t shirts and a rain guarantee (attend a trackday where 3 or more sessions were wet and your day was put back in your bank for later use). I don't remember the actual numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    As long as you have permission from the cardholder and you store the numbers securely (safe, not electronically) it's legal. Numbers have to be shredded when no longer needed.
    Interesting... didn't realize that you could store them off your computer and get around some of the laws. I will investigate further.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TTD View Post
    Interesting... didn't realize that you could store them off your computer and get around some of the laws. I will investigate further.
    Yes. I checked with our merchant services for my current business and storing online is a no - no. You can store offline in a secure place as long as you cross - shred them when no longer needed. We bill some of our customers monthly. Cumberland farms is a customer of mine and they send an email to me every month authoring the "card on file" for a 3 day window for a specific amount.

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    Thanks!

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    My home heating oil provider also keeps my card "on file".

    Now you know who to hack break into.

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    I just did the math. $209.17/day for the TTDs I did in 2014.
    I did the math for mine. 6 days for $162.33, 2 with NYST, 4 with TTD. Only one I paid regular price was the no-sportbike day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Degsy View Post
    This is fair comment. We had hundreds of hours of business planning though. There are many factors influencing our success or failure. Lack of a plan was not one of them. We had some challenged placed in front of us and met every one of them. We never cancelled a day due to low sign - ups and we can always say that we did things right, didn't cut any corners and offered quality track time at every event we ran.
    No one knows what obstacles we faced and there were some pretty shitty things done to us over the 4 years we ran trackdays.
    ive been happy at every BMOTO day ive done !.

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    The other thing to consider with this cost analysis is time missed from work. For someone who does not get a ton of paid time off, and has a family, you need to justify what your time is worth, as well as what the trackday is worth. For example, using my PTO for track days means fewer days for family vacations, or mom-time if the kiddo is home sick, or if I have things that I just need to get done during normal business hours. With a lot of trackdays happening on weekdays now (or for those who have weekend jobs), that is a cost that isn't included in the cost of a trackday, and we just can't commit to (potentially) 10 days just to get a good price.

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    We are waiting for the official LRRS calendar to be released, and then will build our schedule around that as always. Penguin is planning a schedule similar to this season - all the Fridays before LRRS events, our two day school before the classic, plus other additional events at NHMS (1-2 days), Thompson (2-3 days), NJMP (2-4 days) and a potential track to be named later . We also had an option where our "Learn to Fly" members could ride select events with Team Pro Motion at tracks that we do not attend frequently (NJMP, Pocono and NYST will likely be on the list again), and we will likely have that program in place again. Lots of opportunities in lots of places. If you want inexpensive track time, then come to our Basic course and get certified for a license - you can then come to practice with us every LRRS Friday for as little as $100/day! You may even want to try your hand at racing...the Novice class is designed as a place where new riders can ease in without being barnstormed by faster riders (fast guys are bumped out as soon as they hit a lap time threshold). LRRS has the best new racer program in the nation!

    Our most popular Penguin program was our "Advanced" package, which was 5 days (any level) for $1000, with additional days at a big discount to the regular rate. There are some great new options coming to this program for 2015. Our goal is high quality track time combined with our 43 years of experience in help riders ride faster, safer and with more confidence. We don't sacrifice track time classroom time - our riders average 7 sessions per day. All of our lead instructors were AMA Pro level racers at one point, and we can help riders from their first track day right up to when they are top expert racers. While we are proud of our racing pedigree, Penguin has a place for riders at all levels. There are no ego's here - just a desire to help riders enjoy the sport we love. We hope to see lots of you next season, and hope that you enjoy your time on the track no matter who you ride with. There lots of good choices out there - just make sure that you don't miss the fantastic experience of riding the track!

    Here is a testimonial from one of our students who attended our June 23rd track day this year:
    “Before attending, rumor was that Penguin track days were aggressive with race passing often being the norm. I’m happy to say that I did not find this to be true at the Penguin Track Experience Day I attended – in fact the experience was the opposite. The combination of well presented information from some of the most skilled instructors available, and well sized on-track groups that offered plenty of room to safely practice (even in the fastest group) made for what was likely the most educational single day I’ve had on a motorcycle. Whether you are trying to take seconds off your lap times or are a newer rider wanting to learn how to ride safer and with more confidence, a day with the Penguin crew will offer you the tools to accomplish your goals while having a great time riding.”

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    Re: 2015 Track Days Postings

    Quote Originally Posted by mzdagrl View Post
    The other thing to consider with this cost analysis is time missed from work. For someone who does not get a ton of paid time off, and has a family, you need to justify what your time is worth, as well as what the trackday is worth. For example, using my PTO for track days means fewer days for family vacations, or mom-time if the kiddo is home sick, or if I have things that I just need to get done during normal business hours. With a lot of trackdays happening on weekdays now (or for those who have weekend jobs), that is a cost that isn't included in the cost of a trackday, and we just can't commit to (potentially) 10 days just to get a good price.
    Problem with this is it's much more expensive to rent a track on weekends so the cost will be passed on to you. It sucks but you can't blame anyone for that, that applies to tons of things, even movie theaters. No one wants to work on a weekend.

    Quote Originally Posted by Woodcraft View Post
    Our most popular Penguin program was our "Advanced" package, which was 5 days (any level) for $1000, with additional days at a big discount to the regular rate. There are some great new options coming to this program for 2015.
    Is one of those options a payment plan? It's a lot easier of a sell to say $xx per month vs. $1000 in a single blow to most people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drinkingmymilk View Post
    Is one of those options a payment plan? It's a lot easier of a sell to say $xx per month vs. $1000 in a single blow to most people.
    You would just be giving away your interest. I'm sure the TD orgs would be more than happy to take it from you if they could.

    Take that $xx per month and throw it in a savings account or something.

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    Um, not sure if you know how this works but the longer I hold onto my money the more interest I earn. If I have $1,000 to give to any company and they offer me the option to pay it all now or pay $83.34 per month for 12 months, the smart thing to do is pay it over 12 months.


    I don't debate the open a savings account and toss X amount into it for savings (this is how I currently pay for my track time). The problem with that is, for many with that method you'd be skipping a full year of riding to build your first $1000.

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    Bottom line here is riders in the NorthEast have several solid options for track riding - and a variety of pricing points and payment options.

    The current pricing points are pretty similar because the trackday org's have determined what it takes to run one of these businesses for the long term.

    Make the profit margin too small, and as soon as there is a downturn or a couple of dates that don't sell out - and you get in trouble quickly.

    If the pricing from the tracks goes down, then you may see a price decrease, but even then it would be minimal as all the other costs associated with running a day (not to mention a business) - are all going up.

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