Braking technique advice

[The Snowman]

Can someone explain blipping the throttle if its not already been discussed, havent read the whole thread yet?

Is this a serious question? (never know with gingers)

Blipping is simply giving the throttle a quick partial twist just as you pull the clutch and downshift. The purpose it to attempt to match the engine RPMs with the downshifted RPMs.

Basically, it prevents that jolt you get if you simple stomped down a gear.

[Rambunctous]

Can someone explain blipping the throttle if its not already been discussed, havent read the whole thread yet?
I usually just stomp a downshift without touching the clutch, and I dont think I touch the throttle either. Just brake and downshift. Though Im braking well before I downshift, so maybe the engine speed is more matched to the next gear down? Is that how it works?

Yes. So it is smoother.

[Pittenger5]

Are your downshifts choppy or smooth? Can you downshift while leaned over & not have the rear step out on you unpredictably?

They dont seem too choppy. Pretty smooth actually, other than the increase in engine braking. I dont downshift leaned over, but I wouldnt feel uncomfortable at this point doing it. The only place I downshift even remotely leaned is 1, and Im done shifting before I REALLY toss it in.

have you seen Rickie ride?!?

*shrug*

Is this a serious question? (never know with gingers)

Totally serious. I do a ton of stuff on the bike that I dont realize I'm doing it (like trailbraking) without someone telling me, or I do things I shouldnt be doing and develop bad habits that are a bitch for me to break (piss poor body position)

[CEO]

I dont downshift leaned over, but I wouldnt feel uncomfortable at this point doing it. The only place I downshift even remotely leaned is 1, and Im done shifting before I REALLY toss it in.

You don't grab a downshift in 11? I grab two usually on the tard I think, but you have a 4spd...

I come out of 10 in 4th, grab 5th, then drop two through 11, then onto straight

[OreoGaborio]

Werd, Richie ain't no slouch!

But once you start braking harder & harder the rear may start to break loose a bit when you grab those downshifts as there's gonna be a little less weight back there... this is where clutch modulation and/or blipping will help you (unless you have a slipper, in which case that'll probably kick in).

So you aren't downshifting while leaned over for 11? Go in deepah! I see a lot of the motard guys downshifting with their knee awfully close to the pavement.

[CEO]

So you aren't downshifting while leaned over for 11? Go in deepah! I see a lot of the motard guys downshifting with their knee awfully close to the pavement.

+1... richie you're already getting quite quick, I'm surprised you're not doing what pete and I said in 11. That means you have some time there that you could easily recover, and get yourself some 21's son

[Pittenger5]

You don't grab a downshift in 11? I grab two usually on the tard I think, but you have a 4spd...

I come out of 10 in 4th, grab 5th, then drop two through 11, then onto straight

I grab 2 in 11, but Im still relatively straight up and down when I do. I brake at the seam, bang 2 downshifts and toss that bitch in!

[Paul_E_D]

At the seam! The brake marker is the cone on the left!

[CEO]

That is early Richie... you can easily pick up some time there. I mean no, don't, then you will be faster than me. Nevermind.

[Pittenger5]

At the seam! The brake marker is the cone on the left!

Yes, the seam at the cone on the left, thats what me meant.

[OreoGaborio]

Ya dude, the second seam is my roll-off point & my bike's a Scotty compared to your Kate Moss.
Try holding it WFO past the seam.

[Paul_E_D]

I don't think we're talking about the same cone. There are 2 seams(cracks) that run across the pavement. Then there is an apex cone at the left well past the second seam. then a cone on the right near the curbing/jump. If you hold the gas open to the first apex cone, you will be knee down going into the braking zone with no way to straighten the bike up much before shifting. This is the real reason for the different lines I was talking about.

Most guys will roll off at the seam which stands the bike up into the braking zone. Really fast guys will stay on the gas well past the seam, requiring them to stay leaned left into the braking zone.

Edit: this is even true for a 600 Pete. You need to stay on the gas too!

[seth399]

richie posted up a medal!

I have no idea what seam you guys are talking about...shit

[Paul_E_D]

You might not even be getting close to the seam yet. When I cross it WOT, it's a big enough hit to light up my front end with a slapper! When you cross it on the brakes, your front end is able to just absorb without you even noticing.

[Pittenger5]

Hmm, I will hafta investigate, whos got some good onboard that shows that area.

[Paul_E_D]

This one shows the seams clearly. It actually shows more detail than my eyes can pick up. The crack you can see in the vid at the apex cone is not really noticeable while riding. It's way too small.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rcuchyahoocom

Whoa, I fail.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

This one shows the seams clearly. It actually shows more detail than my eyes can pick up. The crack you can see in the vid at the apex cone is not really noticeable while riding. It's way too small.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rcuchyahoocom

Whoa, I fail.

Nothing like some expert video to show just how much I suck! Great video though (especially in HQ), thanks

I'm amazed by people who look back at race pace... especially taking a hand off the bars over the hill. Do many of you do this? The only people I see doing it are Penguin instructors. I'm convinced if I did this it would end catastrophically.

[OreoGaborio]

Wirelessly posted (Samsung Lube.... Er, Glyde: Mozilla/5.0 440x240 Samsung SCH-U940 NetFront/3.4)

I don't think we're talking about the same cone. There are 2 seams(cracks) that run across the pavement. Then there is an apex cone at the left well past the second seam. then a cone on the right near the curbing/jump. If you hold the gas open to the first apex cone, you will be knee down going into the braking zone with no way to straighten the bike up much before shifting. This is the real reason for the different lines I was talking about.

Most guys will roll off at the seam which stands the bike up into the braking zone. Really fast guys will stay on the gas well past the seam, requiring them to stay leaned left into the braking zone.

Edit: this is even true for a 600 Pete. You need to stay on the gas too!

I'M TRYIN PAUL! I should have said ''was'' my roll off point. I'm holding it open past the seam & almost to the cone on the left now

[Kitt]

2:25 and 3:00

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBh7XJELqR4

[wiggeywackyo]

The new issue of Sport Rider has a nice article about rev matching. It doesn't talk much about trail braking but it does tie into this discussion quite well.

[Kitt]

I think since there are so many "seams" at Loudon, we should just line it like a football field so we can rever to which yard line we use for braking point

[Paul_E_D]

Ha! Yeah, but in your vid it's more obvious. The Hi Def camera, like in the link I posted, show way too much detail. There are 2 full length cracks that run 90 degrees across the line going into T11. Most people use them as reference points. It looks like you do too, as you rolled off just before the second seam.

[seth399]

I think since there are so many "seams" at Loudon, we should just line it like a football field so we can rever to which yard line we use for braking point

ahahaa I fully support this.

[xsiliconkid]

At the seam! The brake marker is the cone on the left!

the seam is a good goal to shoot for at track days - move it fwd in minute steps is also cool.

[bdawkins20]

Thanks kitt! I can honestly say I am sitting up straight while braking and banging down gears while going into 11. Its just one of those little things that will most likely save a sec or two! Def. neat to see how the fast guys do it!