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    Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Hi,

    Looking to purchase a cheap, but in working conditions, a track ready EX500 or some other smaller(slower) than a sv650 bike.
    Goal for this bike is for me to learn corner speed for few LRRS in 2015 while I will still be racing my SV.


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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Penguin still have their 2013 rental bikes for sale?

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    Dude SV is the proper bike to teach you corner speed. You really don't need to go slower

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Grom?

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    I went to MMI I know what Im doing here chief

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Dude SV is the proper bike to teach you corner speed. You really don't need to go slower
    Im with Savas...

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Dude SV is the proper bike to teach you corner speed. You really don't need to go slower
    Quote Originally Posted by GingahNinjah View Post
    Im with Savas...
    Say the two guys who started on slower bikes then killed it on SVs...

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    Say the two guys who started on slower bikes then killed it on SVs...
    Saw the pattern ... that's why I am tempted to do that for 2-3 weekends. Plus the gf came up with the "brilliant" idea that she wants to do track days/maybe race in the future so a very cheap EX500 may come handy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pigman View Post
    I already have a SV Gen1 ... this is roughly the same, plus is way more $$ than I have in mind

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by Jim View Post
    Penguin still have their 2013 rental bikes for sale?
    Thanks for the idea. Will send them an email.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Brake later, gas earlier

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by DanRo View Post
    Thanks for the idea. Will send them an email.
    Saw a few of the Penguin EX500's and Ducati's at Argo Cycles in Raymond NH

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    Brake later, gas earlier
    Tried this approach .. managed to shave my PB from 1.37 to 1.25 in 4 LRRS weekends and then managed to high side on the NASCAR oval and dislocated my shoulder ... I am trying to find a "safer" way to learn/get fast

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Send a PM to "kimber" here on NESR.

    She has a GS500, former P-Twins racebike owned by both Chipper and Kurlon, that she's planning to post up any day now.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by DanRo View Post
    Tried this approach .. managed to shave my PB from 1.37 to 1.25 in 4 LRRS weekends and then managed to high side on the NASCAR oval and dislocated my shoulder ... I am trying to find a "safer" way to learn/get fast
    Dont blow your entry into T11 and cut thru the grass is safer. staying on the throttle longer, braking later and getting back on the throttle sooner will allow for another 5 seconds off of your time... just sayin

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by DanRo View Post
    Tried this approach .. managed to shave my PB from 1.37 to 1.25 in 4 LRRS weekends and then managed to high side on the NASCAR oval and dislocated my shoulder ... I am trying to find a "safer" way to learn/get fast
    Not thinking another bike is the key here but that's just my opinion and here's the reason why I say this--> There are rider coaches at damn near every trackday event who can help with what ever you need on the current bike you race.

    Jumping across bikes this early on in your experience might end up being more frustrating than rewarding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Petorius View Post
    Say the two guys who started on slower bikes then killed it on SVs...
    And since iv been on both I am telling you I did it wrong. I wasted a year and over $3000 on my hawk. If I was on an SV for an extra year I believe I would be a lot faster today.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    busa.
    straight up

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Invest on track time and maybe some personal instruction? Going to a slower bike now won't make you faster.
    Just my opinion though.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by tsorfas View Post
    Invest on track time and maybe some personal instruction? Going to a slower bike now won't make you faster.
    Just my opinion though.
    All the arguments actually make sense to me .... except the busa :p lol
    will prob stick only to the sv then

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    turbo busa

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    H2R w/ NOS!

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Twin turbo, Jim. One spools down low, the other takes over up top

    Holding on for dear life? Optional.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Two things at play: If you're looking to learn how to better read and react on a bike with lower risk, skip the EX500 and drop right down to a pit/playbike. They get just as upset when pushed wrong as an SV but do so at far lower speeds keeping your flight time and peak altitude after ejection much lower.

    If you're looking to improve your reference and action points on track to lower your times, track time is the best way to go about it. Track days, schools, one on one instruction, or just more races each weekend, whatever works best for you.

    On corner speed in general, I'll pass on the same advice Eric gave me all the way back in 2008 when I first took Penguin, and it never clicked until this year:

    Brake less.

    Yeah, sounds flippant but it works. Don't try and move your brake markers more and more forward, leave them nice and comfortably early and just brake less. You'll have all the time in the world to settle to a comfortable pace through the corner while working on slowly upping your roll speed. Because you're coming in so mild you'll also have plenty of time to read that first signal from the bike that it doesn't WANT to roll and faster through the corner, it'll not want to tip in. No problem, just scrub a bit more speed THEN finish the turn and remember that you've now set your roll speed for T1 and move on to the next. Once you've got your roll speed set, THEN you can start to inch up your brake markers, using more and more brake in less distance knowing you've got plenty of time to hit a comfy roll speed.

    For reference, I pulled 21s on my Ultralight doing this and as Sav can attest to my brake markers are so early it's comical.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by butcher bergs View Post
    Twin turbo, Jim. One spools down low, the other takes over up top

    Holding on for dear life? Optional.
    Sequential twin turbo...

    small turbo feeds the big one pre-compressed air.

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    Re: Cheap track EX500 or some other small/light track bike

    Quote Originally Posted by GixerJockey View Post
    Sequential twin turbo...

    small turbo feeds the big one pre-compressed air.
    Right but now one must keep close tabs on A/F and without a wideband.......oh wait! I have a brand new one in a box!

    Tuning, optimized

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