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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    The low setting is for track days

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    I was taught the warm setting is to reduce heat cycles and for rain tires. I do not know that to be fact and am genuinely curious.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    I was told the settings are good for a couple things, although some of this is brand specific... one is maintaining one constant heat cycle over the course of a long track/race/test day as opposed to aggressively heating and cooling the tire 10 times. The other is to slow the process of cooling when you are done for the day. I would often put the warmers on after my last race and put them on warm, then turn them off but leave them on there. Also I'd go to warm for longer breaks between races.

    So you can slowly heat the tire, keep it warm and hot for the whole day/event, then slowly cool it. Some people think this is better for the tire. Also, some brands are supposedly more sensitive to hard heat cycles than others.

    But in the end all of this is some black magic type shit anyways... who really knows. Seems everyone has their own little "rituals" they like. I have no idea if what I did made any sort of difference, especially at my (slow) pace...

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Heat cycles are a thing of the past with modern rubber.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Heat cycles are a thing of the past with modern rubber.
    If what you say is correct, what is the function of the warm setting?

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Nothing. It's a gimmick.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post
    I do not know that to be fact and am genuinely curious.
    Well you don't SOUND genuinely curious. Kinda sounds like you think you have the answer but you're keeping it to yourself to make everyone else feel dumb.


    Meh. Wudevs. Moving on.




    To throw my .02 in,
    I don't concern myself with trying to reduce heat cycles of my tires all that much. Why? Mine are pretty much toast before they "heat cycle out" anyway.
    And I DO use the warm setting for my rains. Why? Can't think of any downsides and I feel I can use it to set my rain pressures more consistently.

    Bottom line: It's what I feel comfortable doing and I have no problem if anyone wants to do differently.. so long as they don't crash into me.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Thanks for the jab, barely felt it - try harder.

    My mentality happens to be exactly the same as yours with regards to not caring about heat cycles, setting rain temps and enjoying the piece of mind.

    Rather than pushing my thoughts on others, I facilitated a logic based conversation to see what we could uncover. Give it a try sometime.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Heat cycles aren't an issue with modern rubber(is there an echo in here?).

    Pirelli recommends warmer use with rains, at a low temp, for ~30 minutes or so. Sure, the cold rain will almost instantly cool off the tread, but the idea is to get a little heat into the carcass.

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    Dunlop recommends wrapping your tires in specialized aluminum foil and bake for 15 ' @ 350 F, the for 15' at 250.

    Wrap and freeze if you don't plan on using again within 24 hours.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Sunuvabitch, those takeoffs I bought were frozen! I knew they didn't taste quite right.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    Heat cycles aren't an issue with modern rubber(is there an echo in here?).

    Pirelli recommends warmer use with rains, at a low temp, for ~30 minutes or so. Sure, the cold rain will almost instantly cool off the tread, but the idea is to get a little heat into the carcass.
    There you have it. Straight from the horses mouth

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Dunlops crack when frozen...ask me how I know...

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    I've got a hilarious picture somewhere of a Dunlop that looks like it was dipped in liquid nitrogen and then hit with a hammer.

    In all fairness, Pirellis can develop cracks if not stored properly in frigid cold temps also.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    I had a set of Dunlop TT91s do that to me right before my eyes. Racing minis indoors in the dead of winter, track isn't heated but is super ventilated to the outdoors so when it's -15 outside... guess what temp the track is? Anyways, show up, coax the bike to start, go out for practice and other than being cold, didn't notice anything out of the ordinary. As I putt putt in on the cool down lap one of the track workers started pointing at my bike yelling for me to stop. So I did.

    My tire was splitting and cracking while we watched. It looked like there was an invisible hand dragging razor blades along the tread slowly. Weirdest thing I've ever seen a tire do.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Didn't want to muddy up the thread, but anyways. Bought my first track bike in winter, came with spare Dunlop slicks. Five degrees, backed into the garage and threw them on the floor. Cracked like peanut brittle. I was sad, but now I run Pirellis, so it turned out OK! Definitely cured me of any notion to run race tires on the street if temps are low.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    ...Racing minis indoors in the dead of winter....
    What is this awesomeness you speak of?

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    Well you don't SOUND genuinely curious. Kinda sounds like you think you have the answer but you're keeping it to yourself to make everyone else feel dumb.


    Meh. Wudevs. Moving on.




    To throw my .02 in,
    I don't concern myself with trying to reduce heat cycles of my tires all that much. Why? Mine are pretty much toast before they "heat cycle out" anyway.
    And I DO use the warm setting for my rains. Why? Can't think of any downsides and I feel I can use it to set my rain pressures more consistently.

    Bottom line: It's what I feel comfortable doing and I have no problem if anyone wants to do differently.. so long as they don't crash into me.
    Obviously the only way to settle this is a CEO/Duvet cage match. Winner takes the 123 number plate and gets to use his tire warmers however the hell the wants.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ductard View Post
    What is this awesomeness you speak of?
    Maine Indoor Karting. If we can get enough people with pitbikes to commit, they'll let us run in the evening.

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Sure would be cool if mzdagirl or Eric chimed in with insight behind the dual temp design.

    I love learning new things.

    Jeff - that's not CEO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    Nothing. It's a gimmick.
    Don't know you to know if you're being sarcastic or serious? Do you really think it's a gimmick?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kurlon View Post
    Maine Indoor Karting. If we can get enough people with pitbikes to commit, they'll let us run in the evening.
    I'd be down, but that's 2h away from me. Too far for a weekday for sure. If there's a place closer to Boston or if it could be a weekend thing then hit me up. I've been looking for an excuse to buy a pit bike anyways

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    Re: dual temp tire warmers

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Kurtz View Post
    Heat cycles aren't an issue with modern rubber(is there an echo in here?).

    Pirelli recommends warmer use with rains, at a low temp, for ~30 minutes or so. Sure, the cold rain will almost instantly cool off the tread, but the idea is to get a little heat into the carcass.
    Are you saying traction does not reduce relative to heat cycles now?

    Can you share more details as to how this was made possible, please?

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    Why would CEO be named OreoGaborio and not, well CEO? Durr....

    And Petahhhhhh would never be bothered with a silly 3 digit number plate... haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by CEO View Post
    Why would CEO be named OreoGaborio and not, well CEO? Durr....
    Quote Originally Posted by cdovego View Post

    Jeff - that's not CEO.
    Geez...yes I realized that CEO and OriaultGaboriault are two different people when I said the only way to settle this (thread subject) was a cage match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ductard View Post
    OriaultGaboriault
    HA! I like that.

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