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    Re: First trackday

    Quote Originally Posted by 97BladeRider View Post
    OY. I'm still a little apprehensive about leaning it over in the rain. Guess I have to grow some and get used to it.
    Unfortunately, it's not simply a matter of growing some balls.

    The better rain riders are those that have mastered the ability to basically let go of the bars after they've countersteered.

    This method helps you go fast in the dry too, but you can get away with more pressure in the dry.

    You don't actually let go of the bars, but you need to basically be holding yourself with your legs and core muscles.

    Practice tip: While sitting in a chair in a riding position, close your hands tightly around pretend handlebars. Get your butt off the seat slightly and then push one arm forward (right for right turn, left for left turn) as you drop your head and shoulders into the corner... and at the same moment relax your hands so they are still curled around the "bar", but loosely.

    While your "hanging off"... feel your legs and stomach muscles holding you up. With no actual handlebar, you obviously can't hold yourself by your arms. Get used to this feeling and strive for it on the bike.

    Now... pretend you're coming out of the corner. Feel how you must use your legs and core muscles to bring you upright again.

    That is the feeling and method you want while riding... especially in the rain.

    If you are using your arms to move yourself around on the bike, you will always be fighting what the front wheel wants to do... which is to self correct.

    Another good practice exercise is the "chicane". Sitting in a chair with no arms, put your legs out to the side like on a bike. Practice moving back and forth over the chair as though you were doing a left/right/left sequence of turns.

    Keep your hands out in front on pretend bars and get used to the leg and core muscles involved in smoothly going back and forth. If you're doing it right, you should find it kind of hard.

    Fact is... riding a bike fast takes a lot of hard work.

    Remember... unlike a car, the rider is a big part of the suspension on a motorcycle. If you don't actively move around on the bike - at the right times - then you will always be a hindrance to your suspension.

    The good riders will always be a step ahead of their bike. In other words, if you're going into Turn 3 (a sharp right), your lower body should be in position before you countersteer. This way, when you press on that right handlebar, all you have to do is let your upper body "fall" in after the press. Push... fall.

    If you "hop off" the seat as you are countersteering, you're never going to be smooth... wet or dry!

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    Re: First trackday

    Wow, some good stuff to practice. I tend to keep my grip on the bars loose after countersteering anyway, so it may not be so bad.

    Since I have never really ridden hard in the rain, I'm not sure what my abilitles are, but I guess I will find out.

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    Re: First trackday

    Quote Originally Posted by 97BladeRider View Post
    Wow, some good stuff to practice. I tend to keep my grip on the bars loose after countersteering anyway, so it may not be so bad.

    Since I have never really ridden hard in the rain, I'm not sure what my abilitles are, but I guess I will find out.
    Its not that big of a deal. You just need to be smooth and depending on the tires you wont achieve the same lean angle. If it is raining you can see the difference between people with full rain tires and those without pretty easily.

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    The other important thing to rain riding is to listen to your tires, and know that SLIDE does not have to equal CRASH.

    When exiting a corner, you need to get on the gas while paying close attention to what the rear tire is telling you. Let it "talk" to you through your contact points... your feet, butt and hands... and adjust your throttle input accordingly.

    When entering a corner... and mid corner... just accept the fact that the tires may squirm and slide a bit. If you don't tense up when it happens, it will be a non-issue and the next thing you know it will re-grip and you'll be on the way out of the corner.

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    Re: First trackday

    Awesome post, Tony!



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    Re: First trackday

    must be like riding a horse. You cant put any weight on the reins (they just hang there) so you need to support yourself and hold on with your legs squeezing and your core muscles. Too bad I havent ridden a horse in years...

    Im pumped , and hell, if the back end steps out a bit mid-corner, that is cool too.

    I want to drag my knee. So if I cant manage that in the rain, one of you is going to tow me across the parking lot in my suit. I cant be havin brandy-new knee pucks, the chicks, they just wont swoon.

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    Re: First trackday

    Quote Originally Posted by g®eg View Post
    you'd have more fun on the speed triple....
    I love it!!! Great post!

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    We must ride together sometime.

    Maybe a bean run will be in the works soon.

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    I was pretty concerned too on my first wet trackday. Have fun out there with it! Its a chance to get a little closer to traction limits without feeling like you are going the speed of sound. Nobody is going to set any lap records, so it was a lesson in being loose and relaxed (and having fun!). I'm certainly no expert, but last year I had a few trackdays in the rain and learned a whole bunch, and am glad I got the chance to get the experience.

    Some of the things I got out of them:

    I actually don't mind rain at all now(accept being wet hehe). It got to be like riding in super-slow-mo as you are going around the track. I generally braked more upright and trailed a LOT less, I could definitely see steps of separation developing in the whole riding process.

    For me, it basically came down to doing only 1 thing at a time. When I needed to brake, I used my traction for just braking. In a corner, I'd use my traction almost all for turning(some maintenance throttle in there too). For accelerating I would try to very slowly add power with most of the power being used only when I was close to vertical.

    Exiting a turn, I count off about 4 seconds(yes I talk to myself inside my helmet) pouring the coals to it before I reach full throttle. It seems to work for me. I just pause a quick moment when the rear does a little wiggle and then continue adding power to WOT, trying to follow just below that traction limit wiggle while weighting that outside peg.

    Bring on the wet! You're going to have a blast!

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    Re: First trackday

    You will have a great time Nate. I did. I have put together some small thoughts and tips into this...Maybe you might want to read

    http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...track-day.html

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    they call me Mohamed
    Not to be a party pooper, but I think it might offend a few people in the community. I am not a Muslim but I know how they feel about Mohammed's picture being published let alone be made fun of. Even if there are no Muslims here, it is still against the ethics of any community to hurt someone's religious sentiments.

    Its upto you if you want to delete it or not....Just my thought...

    I hate terrorists and would kill every single one if I see one...I do not want them to be arrested...jut kill those bastards....but to have hate against a whole community becos of some bad characters in the community is not right....

    sorry for preaching...I had to say something when I saw this....

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    I was refering to the image which he has posted........I do not want to hijack the thread or anything but there was no other place to express it.....and I will not delete the post....Sorry....
    I am not expecting any reactions or even action on his part or anyone else's..this thread is about someone's first track day and I know how important it is.....so lets get back on topic.....

    I will also be on Track on Sep 30th.....Hope to see some regulars there......

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    Re: First trackday

    Quote Originally Posted by g®eg View Post
    geez... it was just a track day shot w/ a speed -tona to convince the T-Dog he'd have more fun than on some gixxer..... I would be surprised if anyone was offended, but hey, loads of newbs at NESR so who knows.

    delete if you think you must, I certainly could care less.
    No hard feelings buddy.....

    So lets back on topic.......First track day on a Gixxer...

    BTW, how the heck you got such a nice bike for $1,300..I am sure you can get into racing with this baby......

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    Re: First trackday

    Quote Originally Posted by g®eg View Post
    geez... it was just a track day shot w/ a speed -tona to convince the T-Dog he'd have more fun than on some gixxer..... I would be surprised if anyone was offended, but hey, loads of newbs at NESR so who knows.

    delete if you think you must, I certainly could care less.
    I think you & I can both sit back right now and just kick off our drinks, Greg - then collectively roll our eyes. Whatchyoo havin'?

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    Re: First trackday

    I didn't read all of the posts but I ride a Tuono on the street and was wondering the same thing you're asking... I have a 01 GSXR race bike I bought from a buddy for track only duty... it will feel weird for a while, but just take your time like the others mentioned and you'll do fine.... just keep the ego at home.....

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    If you're really worried about rain riding... get some rain tires...


    I had some of the most fun I've EVER had on the track yesterday after getting a set of sticky rains on my spare set of wheels.... HOLY SHIT do those things grip.

    Dragging knee in the rain, passing everyone in sight... made me almost feel like I knew what I was doing

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