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    Riders of supersport motorcycles have a death rate that's three times as high as the overall average for motorbikes, said a study Tuesday.

    There were 22.5 deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles in 2005, compared to 7.5 deaths per 10,000 for all types of motorcycles, according to a study by the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS).

    There were 4,050 motorcycle-related fatalities in 2005.

    Supersport motorcycles have more powerful engines than most other bikes, and they are lighter, typically having more horsepower per pound than other types.

    Many have higher horsepower per pound ratios than Nascar vehicles, and can reach speeds of 190 miles per hour.

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    "Supersport motorcycles are indeed nimble and quick, but they also can be deadly," said Anne McCartt, IIHS's senior vice president for research. "These bikes made up less than 10 percent of registered motorcycles in 2005 but accounted for over 25 percent of rider deaths. Their insurance losses were elevated, too."

    Speeding and driver error caused more of the fatal crashes with supersport bikes, compared to other classes, with 57 percent of supersport riders' fatal crashes involving high speeds in 2005. This compares to 46 percent of the crashes of sport bikes, 27 percent of cruiser cases, and 22 percent of touring.

    "Supersport motorcycles have such elevated crash death rates and insurance losses because many people ride them as if they were on a racetrack," McCartt said. "Short of banning supersport and sport motorcycles from public roadways, capping the speed of these street-legal racing machines at the factory might be one way to reduce their risk."

    Supersport motorcycles are also popular targets for thieves. Their average theft loss payments per insured vehicle year were more than 7 times higher than the average for all 2002-06 bikes.

    The second highest death rate was for sport and unclad sport bikes, which are similar to supersports, with 10.7 deaths per 10,000 motorcycles.

    Rates for other motorcycles were much lower. Cruisers and standards had a death rate of 5.7 per 10,000 bikes in 2005. The rate for touring motorcycles was 5.3 per 10,000.

    At the same time, helmet use fell, with only 51 percent of riders now wearing helmets certified by the Department of Transportation, down from 71 percent five years ago.

    Overall motorcycle ridership is rising, with registrations climbing 51 percent between 2000 and 2005.

    Supersport bikes have seen some of the largest growth, with registrations rising 83 percent in that five-year period.

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    Article on Cnn about Sportbikes

    Theives like to ride sportbikes without helmets

    Or Sportbikes help kill off theives... a public service

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    the article sounds skewed to make a negative portrayal of sportbike riders, but let's face it...it's true...I've been on NESR for 2+ years and other various sportbike forums for 4+ years, and every year someone says "this year has been particularly bad for motorcycle related crashes and deaths"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhavesh View Post
    the article sounds skewed to make a negative portrayal of sportbike riders,
    +1
    Every reporter has a job to do, right?
    ...every year someone says "this year has been particularly bad for motorcycle related crashes and deaths"
    It's true all across the board every year....cruisers, scooters, sport, super-sport, touring...as our masses increase, so will the number of incidents.

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    A skewed article to try to make spectacular news. No mention of the average age and experience level for the riders, and no mention of the breakdown for the accident types (single motorcycle, no helmet, motorcycle cut off by soccer Mom in the minivan on the cell phone).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bhavesh View Post
    the article sounds skewed to make a negative portrayal of sportbike riders, but let's face it...it's true...I've been on NESR for 2+ years and other various sportbike forums for 4+ years, and every year someone says "this year has been particularly bad for motorcycle related crashes and deaths"
    The way I read it it was a list of objective statistics. If the reader chooses to attribute negative connotations to the article it is the reader who is being subjective. If there is another column of objective statistics that Ben Franklin would add I would like to see it. I don't think there is.

    This is the reality. Some of us accept it as is. Some of us try and change it.

    We should ask ourselves which line we are in....denial is not a river in Egypt.

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    i like how they always suggest speed restrictions to curb the accident rate.... when was the last time you talked to some one that crashed a sportbike at 150 mph? seems to me most single bike crashes happen at about 40 mph in a corner. coincidently you can still do that on an EX250, or atleaste i can.

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    unfortunately they are just using the facts as a percentage of registrated / insured motorcycles...vs the actual rate of other types of bikes..... just look at from that point. So yeah it is negatively skewed because that is how the data is.

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    Article on Cnn about Sportbikes

    *idea*

    In order to get your cage license you're required to be permitted for a period of time and are required to only drive while under restricted conditions ( or some thing of that effect)

    Young drivers cage and bike get in accidents. It doesn't matter what they drive, it's thier inexperience, lack of good judgement, distraction, lack of maturity, peer influence, .....etc

    *solution*
    The MSF is not very popular but could definately be a venue to influence the level of experience of young riders. Ie ... a national program that has a time period that you have to go to MSF and pass a level or two before being issued a permit or even a license to ride.

    *opinion*
    We are taught many things and train for events and go to school to learn and practice practice practice whatever till we are proficient widgets of the world. ???? why then is something so potentially fatal like driving / riding just handed out like popcorn at the movies.

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    My vote would be:

    Junior MC license for 2 years
    Some kind of real world riding class
    Maximum displacement 400CC
    Daylight operation only
    No passengers
    Helmet, gloves and above ankle boots minimum
    special tag or sticker on tag..

    Lastly full MC license would be automatic at the end of 2 years.


    Oh wait that would cut down on sales... nevermind

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    I agree with both RichW and TestingurTomato suggestions. There really is no way to come to a satisfactory solution without some sacrifice on the moto side of things, either. It's not all the fault of cagers and we all drive cages on occasion, too.

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    I like how they add in at the end lower helmet use, but neglect to correlate it to increased death. There's way too many things going on there that aren't being correlated... not saying this isn't a correct report, but as said, speed is not even close to the first place I'd start going to fix this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TESTINGurTOMATO View Post
    *idea*

    In order to get your cage license you're required to be permitted for a period of time and are required to only drive while under restricted conditions ( or some thing of that effect)

    Young drivers cage and bike get in accidents. It doesn't matter what they drive, it's thier inexperience, lack of good judgement, distraction, lack of maturity, peer influence, .....etc

    *solution*
    The MSF is not very popular but could definately be a venue to influence the level of experience of young riders. Ie ... a national program that has a time period that you have to go to MSF and pass a level or two before being issued a permit or even a license to ride.

    *opinion*
    We are taught many things and train for events and go to school to learn and practice practice practice whatever till we are proficient widgets of the world. ???? why then is something so potentially fatal like driving / riding just handed out like popcorn at the movies.
    Quote Originally Posted by richw View Post
    My vote would be:

    Junior MC license for 2 years
    Some kind of real world riding class
    Maximum displacement 400CC
    Daylight operation only
    No passengers
    Helmet, gloves and above ankle boots minimum
    special tag or sticker on tag..

    Lastly full MC license would be automatic at the end of 2 years.


    Oh wait that would cut down on sales... nevermind
    AWESOME!!!! Some real ideas, positive suggestions, all good!!!

    (Now...if we could just have the manufacturers install anti wheelie/stoppie programs in their cpu....!!! -- kidding...cheesh, you know you're in trouble when you have to say your kidding!)

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    I'd be interested to see more information about the fatalities than just the type of bike being ridden.

    How about whether drugs/alcohol was involved, gear being worn, experience of the rider. I bet you'd find a higher correlation to fatality with those stats regardless of the type of bike ridden.

    In some countries (Australia that I know of) new riders have to spend a certain period of time on a 250cc or under before being licensed for larger rides.

    Personally, I feel the government gets far too involved in these types of decisions and would hate to see that happen. The man is already running too much of my life.

    Hey, I live in NH and have a bit of a libertarian bent, what can I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DucDave View Post
    Now...if we could just have the manufacturers install anti wheelie/stoppie programs in their cpu....!!!
    I can name one, for certain, that limits HP so severely that wheelies become extremely difficult to almost impossible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowborder View Post
    Many have higher horsepower per pound ratios than Nascar vehicles.
    worst yet they turn left AND right.

    bikes are dangerous. and sportbikes are more so b/c you can get yourself into trouble a lot faster. of course if you want to get technical sportbikes are actually lot SAFER than other types of bikes b/c you can get yourself OUT of trouble a lot faster than on a 900lb harley (better brakes, better handling, better acceleration).

    as usual it's all about the rider. sportbikes are less forgiving so those idiots that buy them and ride them like retards tend to get hurt more than those idiots that buy harleys and ride like retards.

    i hope sales (or anything else) keeps the bikes in the showrooms. i wanna buy what i wanna buy. if someone that can't handle it buys it and gets hurt b/c they were riding like a retard then i feel bad for their loved ones, but not them.

    been this way for decades. news at 11.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bergs View Post
    I can name one, for certain, that limits HP so severely that wheelies become extremely difficult to almost impossible.
    They dial back the Busa to only 186mph! How silly is that, like you can't kill yourself just as dead at 186 vs. 200mph.

    Stupid litigious society and stupid insurance companies and stupid lobbyists, DOH!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSearchVT View Post
    A skewed article to try to make spectacular news.
    Has there been any other kind of news since Dan Rather..?

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    I wonder how many cavemen died in the early years of "fire". I mean think about that, fire must have been some shit that only CRAZY motherfuckers used (at first of course - now you wouldn't think twice about it).


    Seriously though, at least in MA it is ridiculously easy to be legal on a bike.

    Permit requires what, $15 and answering the following correctly:

    "Q. It is a good idea to ride your motorcycle after consuming alcohol or drugs:

    a) Always
    b) Never
    c) If you don't feel that messed up"

    Ok here is you permit, good for 2 years. Only things you can't do are out of state, passenger, and night.

    My 6 year old nephew could pass that test. Maybe you've never even SAT on a motorcycle, and you can be legal requiring ZERO supervision. WTF?! This is definitely one way that people die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 978chris View Post
    Maybe you've never even SAT on a motorcycle, and you can be legal requiring ZERO supervision. WTF?! This is definitely one way that people die.
    very true. and that does sound a little extreme. I know in NJ (where I got my permit & license years ago) riders that only have a permit are required to ride with another motorcyclist who is supervising them (the other rider must be on another motorcycle).

    however it also points out that people need to have some personal accountability for their stupidity. it should not be the government's job to legislate responsible behavior.

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    Didnt read it.

    I've been on this board and riding a motorcycle just over 2 years now. The articles being written and posted up 2 years and change ago are still the same as are being written today, they just have a newer, fancier pic of a supersport to accompany the article.

    Motorcycling is dangerous, wow, shocker!

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