On average, how many riders go down on a track day?

[taxonomy]

At the track day I attended it didn't seem very unusual for a rider to go down. I am just wondering, on average how often does someone go down. Anything counts from a parking lot dump to a low side right on up.

Wondering.

Adam

[Pittenger5]

A handful.

[Doc]

3-5.

[taxonomy]

A handful.

What's that mean? Two or three? Almost always more than one per track day? Five or six?

[xrocket21]

At the track day I attended it didn't seem very unusual for a rider to go down. I am just wondering, on average how often does someone go down. Anything counts from a parking lot dump to a low side right on up.

Wondering.

Adam

my first track day I went down like tricky mikes girlfriend on prom night

[taxonomy]

OK, how many riders are there at a track day, and how many miles are travled by the average participant?

[Pittenger5]

What's that mean? Two or three? Almost always more than one per track day? Five or six?

There is no "average" it depends on a lot of things. Id find it hard pressed to find any track day where at least one person doesnt go down. In cold/wet conditions more people will hit the deck than on a hot dry day. Thus, to answer your question, a handful.

[OreoGaborio]

I'll tell ya the same thing I told my Grandmother when she whizzed on my parent's recliner.

Depends.



Sometimes it's as little as 2-3, sometimes it's as many as 10-12. We don't keep track of how many people go down at our events, just how many times we have to tech a person's bike. Each bike gets re-teched after an accident... the more we tech your bike, the more we're gonna ask questions about what's going on.

[DuncanMoto]

Wirelessly posted (BlackBerry9000/4.6.0.297 Profile/MIDP-2.0 Configuration/CLDC-1.1 VendorID/102 UP.Link/6.3.1.20.06.3.1.20.0)

You do need frame sliders and good gear for a track day.

[scottieducati]

There have been days with zero riders going down, and days where it seems every session is red flagged. It all depends on the day, the group, the conditions, etc. On "average" I'd say 2-5 is about right. Boston Moto maxes attendance at 75 riders, most other orgs have 100+, so it can all vary greatly.

[taxonomy]

There is no "average" it depends on a lot of things. Id find it hard pressed to find any track day where at least one person doesnt go down. In cold/wet conditions more people will hit the deck than on a hot dry day. Thus, to answer your question, a handful.

This is the whole reason for the mathematics behind the word "average". It allows people to conceptualize a general level without having to review each special case.

Example: What's the average number of people that live in a household in America? The number rounds out to about 3, though there is clearly a range.

But it clearly is pretty normal for a 2-3 riders to crash at a track day. Or, it would be OK to say that 2-3% of track day riders are likely to crash in a given day.

[Pittenger5]

Oh wait, I forgot, do we count people tripping in the garage? If so add one for Jim.

[KawiSmurf]

But it clearly is pretty normal for a 2-3 riders to crash at a track day. Or, it would be OK to say that 2-3% of track day riders are likely to crash in a given day.

No, I'd say it's a lot closer to 10%

[xrocket21]

Oh wait, I forgot, do we count people tripping in the garage? If so add one for Jim.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SMuXwdUS_Lc

[Doc]

60-100 riders
1.6 mile track
20 min sessions 20-30 riders each group
Lap times from 2:00-1:teens...

[taxonomy]

No, I'd say it's a lot closer to 10%

For arguments sake, lets say 5%.

How many miles are ridden in an average track day? 75? So, if on average there are 75 riders you have 5600 miles ridden per track day.

So, by my math, give or take 100% there's about 1 crash per 1,500 miles ridden on normal track days.

[OreoGaborio]

How many miles are ridden in an average track day? 75?

Depends, Grandma!

Beginner group - 60-80
Intermediate grou - 70-90
Advanced group - 80-100

That's assuming a normal "crash" day. More crashes = less miles, especially if there's a fluid spill. That varries, just like the average lap times of each group.

[Tricky Mike]

I smell an agenda...

[taxonomy]

I smell an agenda...

There is for sure an agenda, I am trying to quantify the risk in riding track days. If numbers scare you, please step into the faith based line.

How often does an ambulance roll? No matter the nature of the roll, just how often does someone require attention no available at the track?

[Pittenger5]

How often does an ambulance roll? No matter the nature of the roll, just how often does someone require attention no available at the track?

Roll from their waiting spot, or roll to infield care, or roll to hospital.

[KawiSmurf]

So, by my math, give or take 100% there's about 1 crash per 1,500 miles ridden on normal track days.

Do you have any idea how many variables you just pissed away to fabricate that statistic? What is that supposed to represent, anyway?

For someone who seems to be bent on gathering data, you sure are skimming over some pretty decent-sized factors.

[Kurlon]

There is for sure an agenda, I am trying to quantify the risk in riding track days.

The risk is that you will end up dead, or worse a vegetable, and the remains of your bike will be used as material to melt down and make into an eBay special cheap chinese pit bike.

How much more do you need to know?

[Degsy]

Ambulances roll very rarely at trackdays. I don't believe we have ever had an ambulance roll at a Boston Moto day.

We had a 3 day event at VIR last year where I believe there were something like 3 crashes through the whole event. We also had an event at Loudon where there were crashes all over the place as the track seemed to have very little traction for some reason. It depends on a lot of conditions and factors.

I think that trying a mathematical approach to whether you might crash at a trackday is going about it in completely the wrong way.

[xrocket21]

if you are trying to asses the risk for yourself, im not sure looking at a stastisitc is gonna give you your answer.

Its running a bike on a race track, it isnt perfectly safe. But its mostly how safe you make it.

[scottieducati]

I think that trying a mathematical approach to whether you might crash at a trackday is going about it in completely the wrong way.

Bottom line is you accept the risks of track riding whether it's at a track day or at a race weekend.