Bike Size???

[Brian675]

When you really think about

[BCT748]

When you really think about

Are you just saying that because Triumph doesn't make a 1000cc version of the 675?

[Brian675]

Are you just saying that because Triumph doesn't make a 1000cc version of the 675?

[richw]

All these are superbikes

Unfortunately they all are somewhat ill suited for the real world

I would think like a FZ1 you might be a blip behind on track day
but the rest of your life will be better

[Evil_Weasel]

deffinatly prefer a 1000 or larger for street use. i'm lazy and hate excessivly shifting, especially when i want to pass something....love that low down grunt from the 1000.

it has nothing to do with physical size.

...however i still don't understand the attraction to liter bikes that noobs have. most of the time i think they are just trying to find a reason to buy a bike that deep down they know they shouldn't have yet.

[richw]

Way back when

If you went to the projects all you would see were newer Cadillacs and Lincolns and Imperials ,,, What the hell is that

Anyway they were interviewed how come if you can't hardly feed your famiuly why do you have such an expensive car.

Survey said

Because It don't matter who you are you can't buy a better car than me

[Doc]

I bought my 1000's so I can keep up with my friends on 600's who actually know how to ride....

That is the real reason people buy 1000's!

[Doc]

the real question is why does it matter?

really

WHY?

would you rather have more people on bikes no matter what type and size as it brings more awareness as more people have and ride bikes...

or should it be a closed "members only" group that only allows those that follow the same principles and training and gets so high on its own superiority that it becomes this empty club that no one wants to be a part of because they are so judgmental and "know" whats right, how it should be done, and when it should be done. if thats the case then it will slowly fizzle out because people wont like what they see and just move on to something else...

"hey karting looks fun"

if you ask me the size of the bike is of absolutely no relavance....

sure there are people that shouldnt be on a 1000, 750, 600, etc but most likely they fit into the shouldnt be on any bike category.

there are all types of bikes for all types of people there is not one reason that anyone should have to explain themselves as to what bike they ride and why they bought it, ride it, whatever. there is also no reason that anyone should be excluded from riding EVER.....

I simply said i liked the r1 as it fit me better next to the r6. I also love how it looks, liked the yamaha streetbikes ever since i was little and knew i would have one. I then waited to see what the 07 r1 would look like and made my decision.

theres my explaination. dont like GFY. I dont care.

In Europe, motorcycling is MORE popular than it is here and they have a graduated system.

Literbikes should be difficult to attain for inexperienced riders. They are not and it leads to the degredation of the sport in many ways.

Training should be more than a 10 question test to get your permit and ride a bike that has more power at 1/4 throttle than the crappy "civic" you have been driving growing up.

You can like how a bike looks and buy it. But you can also find that bike in a smaller displacement to start. Europe has ALOT of awesome smaller bikes that look great! Why? Because they have a tiered system.

Looks, Fit and deals...

If it looks like a race replica and my feet touch the ground and it is cheap then it must be a good bike for me just doesn't always cut it (and shouldn't)

There are exceptions (there always are) but the MAJORITY would be better served if you had to have training and experience before getting on a bike with "too much power".

Just my thought on it.

[jc r6]

IMO a 600 (an SS 600 not a old hunk of junk) has more power than anyone will ever need on the street. The majority of people who buy a 600 (beginer riders) will never be able to ride the bike to it's full potential ...then they go out an buy a 1000.

i agree with Doc ....Europe has a much more responsible system of licensing.

[Doc]

I think I am gonna sell my 998... I can't ride the thing for half of what it has.

[beet]

Way back when

If you went to the projects all you would see were newer Cadillacs and Lincolns and Imperials ,,, What the hell is that

Anyway they were interviewed how come if you can't hardly feed your famiuly why do you have such an expensive car.

Survey said

Because It don't matter who you are you can't buy a better car than me

Those R1 vs R6 specs show the R1 having more than an inch of additional wheelbase. That's pretty significant, especially for a bigger/heavier rider - not to mention the better torque of a liter bike, which no doubt makes for better street riding, imo. But then, I've never owned a street bike that was less than 996cc.

My favorite (even on the track) of any bike I've ever ridden, was a ZX-12R. My dick must be tiny.

I like big bikes go big or stay home, had a big pick up truck . My dick is small I guess. HP V torque I like torque. Low torque = more shifting

[R1]

In Europe, motorcycling is MORE popular than it is here and they have a graduated system.

Literbikes should be difficult to attain for inexperienced riders. They are not and it leads to the degredation of the sport in many ways.

Training should be more than a 10 question test to get your permit and ride a bike that has more power at 1/4 throttle than the crappy "civic" you have been driving growing up.

You can like how a bike looks and buy it. But you can also find that bike in a smaller displacement to start. Europe has ALOT of awesome smaller bikes that look great! Why? Because they have a tiered system.

Looks, Fit and deals...

If it looks like a race replica and my feet touch the ground and it is cheap then it must be a good bike for me just doesn't always cut it (and shouldn't)

There are exceptions (there always are) but the MAJORITY would be better served if you had to have training and experience before getting on a bike with "too much power".

Just my thought on it.

ok so my question to that....

if (IF) we were to change the system over how would it be implemented? would there be a grandfather clause?

i mean who would have to prove themselves and who would be able to continue like nothing changed...

because if you ask me, if you are all so set on this system, then you should all have to go through it with the rest of us....

what makes you more qualified to own a big (600 whatever) bike if every new rider has to then "step" up?

where do they draw the line? all those with permits now have to then use the tiered system?

all those with less than blah blah blah years have to then step down?

i mean to implement the system right from the start sure i can see how it would work... but to change what we have now there would be alot more "squid" behavior as people are gonna get what they want no matter what system we have. this is america. the land of taking advantage of the system and doing what we want as we live in a free country.

My problem with this tiered system is not that it doesnt work its that I dont think we need it...

I think we need a more open awareness of the negative sides of riding. there is a serious lack of awareness on the sport hobby transportation whatever.

it took me getting a bike and trolling around the interwebs to find the informations that was either relevant or even eye opening.

I would have never taken the msf if it werent for this site as i thought it was just a "training class" turns out it is a class but geared more towards improving and testing your abilities not what you know (advanced)

again these are my opinions and i could go on an on, but the bottom line is that i dont think we need that kind of control i think we need more exposure to what riding really is.....

Its a passion for most of us and we will defend it to the death and everybody should be at some point exposed to what riding can and will do if you are not aware of the risks and cautious of your abilities, none of which a tiered system could help with....

it would only limit those who want to ride to have the experience that you feel is necassary, but no matter what bike you ride or the size its still dangerous and there inlies the problem.... the outside factors that cannot be avoided that you have no control over and as the population gets more geared towards the stunting and whatever you think is unsafe or anti motorcycling (not literally) the more people will just turn a blind eye and the more dangerous it will become.

and yet one more point from a aftermarket standpoint (you selling your bike POV)

who determines who can and cant buy your bike? YOU?

i mean with all the possible options buying a used bike how do you prevent those without the proper licensing to buy your bike?

would it then limit your bottom line in what you want to get for your bike?

I would like to hear the POV of someone from a tiered system on this.....

my .02 but i should probably have to pay .02 to the reader

also training and learning should be sought after not forced.... there is something to be said from wanting to learn and get better than to forcfully do something you dont want to only to get to the next step and so on....

[jc r6]

I'm not agruing the point at all so don't take me wrong. Just stating a few things i've noticed and learned.

I don't imagine this tiered system will ever happen around here but if it did i would assume they would just grandfather those aready licensed, much like they did with CDL licenses 15 or so years ago ...gotta start somewhere.

As far as selling the bike i don't think anthing would change..you can buy a car without a license it's the driving part that requires one.

I see more and more squids on 1000's opening it up on the highway or any straight area they can find with minimal gear that really barely have any business being on a moped.

They already require a higher level of licensing for larger vehicals (CDL) in the US because of the greater amount of risk. The tiered system in Europe has proven to me more effective (safety) for motorcycles as well.

Although i 100% agree with the freedom of choice ...most people are too stupid to make good decisions most of the time.

It is the new riders on bikes that are too powerful for them squiding it up that give the sportbike comunity as a whole a bad image in the public's eyes.

IMO tiered licensing wouldn't limit the freedom to ride it would simply help supress the freedom to be stupid

[ZX-12R]

My favorite (even on the track) of any bike I've ever ridden, was a ZX-12R.

This is the only guy who knows what he is talking about. Everyone else is wrong.

[R1]

I'm not agruing the point at all so don't take me wrong. Just stating a few things i've noticed and learned.

I don't imagine this tiered system will ever happen around here but if it did i would assume they would just grandfather those aready licensed, much like they did with CDL licenses 15 or so years ago ...gotta start somewhere.

As far as selling the bike i don't think anthing would change..you can buy a car without a license it's the driving part that requires one.

I see more and more squids on 1000's opening it up on the highway or any straight area they can find with minimal gear that really barely have any business being on a moped.

They already require a higher level of licensing for larger vehicals (CDL) in the US because of the greater amount of risk. The tiered system in Europe has proven to me more effective (safety) for motorcycles as well.

Although i 100% agree with the freedom of choice ...most people are too stupid to make good decisions most of the time.

It is the new riders on bikes that are too powerful for them squiding it up that give the sportbike comunity as a whole a bad image in the public's eyes.

IMO tiered licensing wouldn't limit the freedom to ride it would simply help supress the freedom to be stupid

I am not arguing that the tiered system doesnt work i just dont think it should be applied here...

I think they need to make it harder to get a car license first before they can begin to limit you on a motorcycle...

no matter what we are not associated with the negative side of things until we prove that "we" belong...

a few bad eggs dot make the whole carton bad....

everyone here is guilty of breaking the law, no matter how they try and justify it, thats just as bad as "bike size"

what good are the laws if no one follows them, and then how does a tiered system change that?

I bought a big bike, I know other people that bought big bikes and plenty of people who are gonna buy big bikes...

then again for a begginer (at least for this discussions sake) a big bike is anything bigger than a 50, cuz you know thats how the system would work....

start small and work your way up

for some people thats not enough and they would go on as usual and break the law, so there would still be the ones out there with the right amount of stupid that instead of a tiered system bike size discussion, it would be background check and mental health discussion....

It just slowly closes the door to the select few that can participate and eventually bike manufacturers will stop sending us "good" bikes... because they wont sell....

make the sport more prevalent and get more popular exposure on the hobby in general and maybe things can change, but if you ask me there is not close to enough awareness to just start limiting the sport....

it will never be enough and regulation does not always equate solutions.... usually just more questions....

[Doc]

Just a little info on a quick search... Didn't even read all of it.

http://www.timberwoof.com/motorcycle/faq/europe.html

Couple points.
It seems people who buy big bikes as first bikes and do well get defensive. Just saying

People who may have started on smaller bikes think that is the right way to do it.

It is easier (and safer) to drive a car than it is a bike.

Yes I decide who I sell my bike to. I won't sell it to someone I think is a dumbass. If the first thing out of there mouth is "How fast does it go" they are a dumbass.

Manufacturers don't send us "good bikes". They all go to Europe. (CBR125 etc.) They don't come hear because Americans want "bigger, faster, more HP". The culture makes it so.

Getting more people intrested in the sport is absolutely the right thing to do. I tell everyone that I know that wants to get into riding. "Start with a small bike, preferably without any plastic on it, take the MSF, ride for a year or so and THEN move up to "the pretty bike with all the plastic, but make it no bigger than a 600" (if they want an inline 4). I just think that is the smartest way to go. (not saying anyone is stupid for doing it different) If I can get anyone else to say this to people I think it will help the sport.

If I say "Just get whatever bike you think looks nice and can get a good deal on" I think I do a disservice to the sport and my friends.

I am not sure how to implement a tiered system. Maybe retest anyone with a license, give incentives if they do... Have a system for enforcement. If you get your tickest on your bike yank the license until you take the test to see what bike you should be on... but it is worth looking into.

Since it won't happen I will continue to try and effect people however I can. I hope others do the same.

[richw]

We all know the government will provide us with a practical plan designed by experienced riders with no further interest in the program but the advancement of safer 2 wheel riding.

I am from the government I am here to help

In 15 years there would be no motorcycling in the USA

[schmuhl]

I'm looking at a V-Rod now. When I finally have her in the garage and can switch btwn that and the Speed Four, I'll let you know.

[stoinkythepig]

If you plan to keep a bike a long time and ride it enough to wear it out, a bigger engine will last longer because it's not reving as much. That was my main motivation for getting my 9R when I was looking at getting a 600 or a 900/929/1000. I avoided the 12R because the valves are supposedly a pain to adjust due to the monocoque frame design; and the Hayabusa because I don't like the looks.

[butcher bergs]

I would think like a FZ1 you might be a blip behind on track day...

Not really...

[Doc]

If you plan to keep a bike a long time and ride it enough to wear it out, a bigger engine will last longer because it's not reving as much. That was my main motivation for getting my 9R when I was looking at getting a 600 or a 900/929/1000. I avoided the 12R because the valves are supposedly a pain to adjust due to the monocoque frame design; and the Hayabusa because I don't like the looks.

I call

[stoinkythepig]

I call

Which part(s), that longevity was my motivation, ZX12R valves are hard to adjust, I don't find hayabusas attractive, and/or that slower turning engines last longer?

[seth399]

I call

I believe it...overall, you can get away with less maint. on a crf450 than a crf250 for the same reason (in same conditions, riding the bikes how the are meant to be ridden).

But more importantly, I sold my 636 cuz my thang is so huge. Infact, its too huge for even a stock 1000, so I am getting a new one, then having the motor blueprinted/ported/polished/bored/stroked so the bike is in line with my current dick size...holla at your boy.

[Pittenger5]

The size differences between 600s and 1000s is so miniscule, some might be better than others but not BECAUSE its a 600 or a 1000, but the design of the bike. Some 600s will feel bigger than some 1000s. Course, I couldnt take the seating position of the 636 anymore, which is half the reason I got a new bike.

[nt650hawk]

My 929 has bigger cc than a brandy new 600cc. But now the new 600 have about the same hp now-a-days as my 8 year old. How does this fit into the equation? Was I big then and now I’m all shriveled up. Sorry. lol

I can't choose 1 so I have 3
650 twin
600 i4
929 i4