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Originally Posted by Danny500
Talk about good riders... you are one fun guy to ride with!!
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Double sided swingarm makes me sad....
I feel a little disappointed. I was hoping the rumors of the 799 were true. I wanted a middle weight and the sssa. Suppose this is good for the me though; now I wont be so tempted to trade in for one of these.
I traded my Brutale 910R for a 2012 848.....best move I ever made.
I really hope so.....!!
Is a double sided vs a single sided a decision based on cost, design, both or something else?
Current: Looking.
Previous: 2002 YZF-600R, 2006 DL1000, 2011 GSX-R 750, 2009 FZ1, 2008 1098, 2007 VFR800, 2013 DRZ, 2014 1190 Adventure, 2016 Africa Twin, 2008 WR250X, 2012 FZ1, 2017 KTM SD-GT
I would have bought a Desmosedici but it had a double sided swingarm. That and my Honda was about $50K cheaper.
Last edited by backinthesaddle; 08-21-13 at 10:15 AM.
2013 ZX6R-636
Slightly off topic; Is there any real benefit to the sssa, other than looks?
Back on topic; 848 looks better.
Your 600rr has a single sided swing arm?I would have bought a Desmosedici but it had a double sided swingarm. That and my Honda was about $50K cheaper.
Last edited by DaveZX6r; 08-21-13 at 10:57 AM.
"You don’t need to tell me the horror story about your uncle’s buddy who wiped out his chopper while drag racing at some hooligan rally. That just makes me wish I were talking to your uncle’s buddy instead of you. He sounds pretty cool."
Originally Posted by JalopySiR
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!! This time I was laughing at you. Sorry.
I've read that it was developed to facilitate tire changes during endurance races and was kept for the cool factor / marketing edge.
Go fast. Have fun. Repeat.
SSSA's have gone back and fourth, originally developed for endurance racing and tire changes the first ones (Honda ELF swingarm and Ducati 916) were almost overly stiff to overcome the thought that a SSSA wouldn't be as stiff as a DSS. Since, with engineering design updates SSSA are more of an exercise in aesthetics than anything else now. With their advantages come disadvantages. I personally love SSSA's and easy tire changes, but chain tension and rear end geometry adjustments can get tedious. There's no need for one really anymore, and I'd reckon the unit on the 899 is lighter and has better flex properties than the SSSA on the big brother.
CCS/LRRS #83
Everything logical tells me there is no good reason for SSSA. Just look at any other modern superbike. But, when I was shopping for ducatis my 2 must haves were dry clutch and sssa. There is something special that is worth giving up whatever little performance you can gain from a twin swingarm. It's sad to see they are both leaving quickly.
So you could say an SSSA is the snob version of a squid's chromed extended swingarm...
2023 KTM 890 Adventure R
With that in mind, I still lust after your Streetfighter.
2023 KTM 890 Adventure R
I would argue easier tire changes and easier chain adjustments is a functional benefit.
SSSA's returned to the 1098/848 product line for one reason, marketing (due to consumer backlash). The 999/749 went to traditional swingarm because it was a better performance setup.
Source: I worked in Ducati NA's marketing dept during death of 999 and launch of 1098.
Last edited by a13x; 08-21-13 at 03:45 PM.
Sidenote: DO NOT LIKE that this is a 900cc bike. It's a fucking middleweight guys. First it was 750 vs 600. Then 850. Now 900? Build a bike that works and quit pumping the motor up. Muddling up the middleweight class.
If they're going outside the normal class structure... make me a 499!
^ thats a plan I can get on board with
I really don't understand the reasoning behind making a 900cc and a 1200cc bike in the same product line. They're both essentially liter bikes, they'll both haul ass and look good, only one is cheaper.
Last edited by RyanNicholson; 08-21-13 at 08:03 PM.
Ducati haven't raced "middleweight" for years, since the 749. Heavier pistons and such are not easy to make rev while preserving longevity, so why push the envelope with high strung smaller displacement bikes that won't stack up? I have always loved the 850-ish Ducati twins, whether it's an 851, 853-kitted 748 or the new 848. There are HP targets to be relevant in the "MW" class now a days, and it's a lot easier to have a bigger twin working less hard, at lower RPM to be in that 130-150 HP range that's now the "middleweights." Adding revs and making a 600 even more high-strung is a whole lot easier with much less mass moving back and fourth. I'm no insider at Ducati or anything though, pure speculation.
CCS/LRRS #83
130-150hp middleweight? That's lovely. 600's put out 105-110 at the rear wheel off the showroom. :-/
Even outside of racing. It's grouped with the other 'middleweights' in shootouts and comparisons. Just funny.
Regardless if Ducati officially races (odd for a company that prides itself on racing heritage... it doesn't support racing. Only official Ducati entry is in MotoGP) people buy Ducati's and race them. All the way from club to pro. 848 suffered on the racetrack due to issues not with the HP it was putting out. So what do they do... bump it up another 50cc! hahaha. People will still buy them, race them, and fail on them.
Last edited by a13x; 08-21-13 at 09:06 PM.
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