Electrical guru's.... blinkers are wonky.

[OreoGaborio]

Okay... My Tuono's got one of these blinker modules that keeps the blinkers dimly illuminated when not in use and turns them off after a certain number of flashes in case you forget to turn them off.

I like this feature.

Only problem is, I switched to some Rizoma LED blinkers, and although the flash rate is just fine (due to the resistors already built into the blinkers, plus the blinker module adjusts automatically), they're acting funky.

Funky as in, with the right directionals on, the lefts blink faintly, and with the left directionals on, it's like I put my hazards on.



I'm not about to troubleshoot this over the interwebnets.... So who wants to come take a look?

[slammp]

Problem solved - gime me the Riozomas and put the stock back on.

[OreoGaborio]

That works.



But only if I get to punch you in the taint

[drop]

i'll stop by pete. it's probably because you're trying to run the LEDs at partial voltage (dim) but i'll check it out.

[OreoGaborio]

i'll stop by pete. it's probably because you're trying to run the LEDs at partial voltage (dim) but i'll check it out.

Eh... there's a setting to make the running blinkers full brightness... tried it, didn't help.

Obvious solution is to remove the blinker module. If I need to I will, but if there's a relatively easy way to fix it I'd rather do that.



BTW, I took today off work, so you can come over whenever.

[Jim]

did you forget to bleed the blinker fluid when switching to the Rizomas?

[obsolete]

did you forget to bleed the blinker fluid when switching to the Rizomas?

Hmmmm... Jim's mom bleeding fluid joke would fit nicely here.

[catamount]

My guess is that you're getting bleed over from one signal circuit to the next.

This can happen through the signal indicator on your gauges. When the right signal is on, the flash rate is good because of your new relay but there is still excess energy that wants to go somewhere... it skips through your 'indicator light' and goes over to the other side.

Kinda tricky to explain, but what you need are $1.50 diodes are radio shack... One from each signal circuit to your indicator light. Diodes are like a one-way valve and will prevent the current from bleeding over into the other circuit.

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You just need a couple of diodes from radio shack.

Left turnsignal wire to input of diode 1
Right turnsignal wire to input of diode 2
Output end of diode 1 and diode 2 connected together, and then connected to the input lead on the speedometer.

Use a meter to double-check which end of the diode to connect where. (Arrow on diode should be pointing towards the speedometer, but make sure!)

You should use 30 watt diodes if you can find them, anything less may blow eventually.

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While this is not your speedometer, it discusses where to put the diodes:


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http://www.dragspecialties.com/pdfs/DS243930.pdf

[obsolete]

The resistors were not built into my Rizomas. They came with the kit but I need to use 2 per. Just another thing to think about.

[OreoGaborio]

Well the aftermarket Blinker module isn't load dependent, so the number of resistors shouldn't matter. It actually had a short section about switching to LED's and it said resistors aren't required.

[TheIglu]

Resistors won't help voltage bleed, diodes will.

But, LED's ARE diodes, so that's like a pie to the face of the diode idea.

[obsolete]

Well the aftermarket Blinker module isn't load dependent, so the number of resistors shouldn't matter. It actually had a short section about switching to LED's and it said resistors aren't required.

Ohhh... Didn't realize you had the after market led module. My B.

I have one of those as well an it also acts up from time to time.

[catamount]

Resistors won't help voltage bleed, diodes will.

But, LED's ARE diodes, so that's like a pie to the face of the diode idea.

Oh yeah? Hey, I don't really give a shit if you want him to keep the 4-way blinkers.

http://www.ninjette.org/forums/showthread.php?t=24500

and

"The diode fix is required in C model bikes to eliminate
"crosstalk" in the turn signals which causes the left and right
turnsignals to flash together like four way flashers when
either side turn signals are activated.
It happens when the owner of a C model bike installs
LED turnsignals because of a wiring trick that Honda engineers
used when they wired the dashpanel indicator light
in our bikes.
The indicator is wired to steal a ground connection from
the turn signal bulb on the side that is not flashing.
The bulb has very low resistance, about 10 ohms.
When you replace the bulbs with higher resistance
LEDs, the dashboard indicator ties the two sets of signals
left and right together.

The diode fix separates the two sides and provides a dedicated
ground connection to the indicator lamp."

I guess the thousands of other motorcyclists who have been using diodes to prevent bleed over with their LED signals should've checked in with you first.

[NobodySpecific]

Resistors won't help voltage bleed, diodes will.

But, LED's ARE diodes, so that's like a pie to the face of the diode idea.

Not if the resistors have been run in parallel.

[OreoGaborio]

Oh yeah? Hey, I don't really give a shit if you want him to keep the 4-way blinkers.
I guess the thousands of other motorcyclists who have been using diodes to prevent bleed over with their LED signals should've checked in with you first.

ZOMG, GAUNTLET THROWN!

Chill, guys... appreciate the help but this isn't a Jim thread... no need to swing our dicks.



So am I reading this correct? BOTH leads that would normally go to the LED get attached to the diode, then there's only one wire that goes from the diode to the LED and the other wire attached to the LED gets grounded?

[slammp]

Hey man! If you weren't on this ride then...

Oh, sorry...

Wrong thread.

[catamount]

ZOMG, GAUNTLET THROWN!

Chill, guys... appreciate the help but this isn't a Jim thread... no need to swing our dicks.



So am I reading this correct? BOTH leads that would normally go to the LED get attached to the diode, then there's only one wire that goes from the diode to the LED and the other wire attached to the LED gets grounded?

No... You leave the lights hooked up as normal. You need to find out which wire feeds your turn signal indicator light.

It'll have two feeds, one from each signal. You will put a diode on each feed, pointing "towards" the indicator light.

[Uncle Snake]

Can we start a collection up to get Claytons nuts repaired after that ball-sacking?

[TheIglu]

My nuts are already smashed. STOMP ON MY CUBES!

I thought it was more of a LED light vs incandescent load issue, and in that, a simple diode fix on the load end wouldn't resolve anything, since the LED plays that role while also throwing lumens.

Just ignore me.

[TheIglu]

I also run stock blinkers, so my experience with this issue revolves mostly around nothing.

[repsol_kid]

Personally my first thought would be to look into a low pass current filter. But I agree diodes should work also.

[OreoGaborio]

alright... No idea how he did it, but Jamie came over and got it relatively figured out.

We spent a good two hours with a multimeter and a wiring diagram trying to make sense of the labyrinth of wiring under the stock cowl (The previous owner added the blinker module, heated grips, a voltage indicating led and a couple of other doohickies & thingamabobs). We ended up disabling the running light option and adding a pair of resistors that came with the blinkers to each side.

The blinkers now work normally but w/o the running light option (which I'm fine with)

I'm sure Jamie can tell you guys more if you're interested but I still have no friggin clue what's goin on under that cowl. Whatever it is, it's all weird & shit.

[Stoneman]

I'm not about to troubleshoot this over the interwebnets.... So who wants to come take a look?

alright... No idea how he did it, but Jamie came over...

So somebody actually READ your first post? NESR's growing by leaps & bounds!

[OreoGaborio]

So somebody actually READ your first post?

NESR's growing by leaps & bounds!

Uhhh yeah I wouldn't go that far. NESR is still a shithole. Do somethin bout that, will ya?

[DuncanMoto]

So somebody actually READ your first post? NESR's growing by leaps & bounds!

Uhhh yeah I wouldn't go that far. NESR is still a shithole. Do somethin bout that, will ya?

Wow you gay guys sure are touchy.