My first highside..... :-(

[butcher bergs]

Doc that's because at your pace brakes are more or less an option. What I mean is, dragging your feet would be just as effective.

[scottieducati]

BAM! Get 'em butcher!

[Doc]

Doc that's because at your pace brakes are more or less an option. What I mean is, dragging your feet would be just as effective.

I'll try that next race weekend. You gonna be there?

[butcher bergs]

[landricscustoms]

Just a word of advice, next time try grabbing a shitload of down shifts as you stab the rear brake. I know there was alot going on when the fronts failed but downshifting possibly could have helped.

I got a couple downshifts in with the rear brake. Was already in the grass by then. None help..... In better news... The doc just called in my script for vicoden!!!!! Yeahhhh

[Ken C]

Using the transmission to slow a bike is going to be a bit more forgiving than the rear brake.

How do you figure?

[SVRACER01]

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Doc that's because at your pace brakes are more or less an option. What I mean is, dragging your feet would be just as effective.

I'll try that next race weekend. You gonna be there?

Hes gotta turn his pistons around first

[SVRACER01]

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Its just harder to lowside a bike on purpose than one would think. sure. jumping on the rear brake will get the back end around but self presevation unknowingly kicks in and leaves the bike pretty upright. you would actually have to lean/fall off the bike while jacking the rear brake in order to lowside it.

[strgt]

I got a couple downshifts in with the rear brake. Was already in the grass by then. None help..... In better news... The doc just called in my script for vicoden!!!!! Yeahhhh

Sounds like your hooked, I highsided my first track day, broke my ankle, knocked out for 30 mins, and woke up strapped to a board in a helicopter. It was the most fun Id ever had. It only gets better, get well soon.

[butcher bergs]

How do you figure?

You first.

...and FWIW; I have my response typed already so it's just a copy and paste but I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether you agree or disagree and why.

[landricscustoms]

You first.

...and FWIW; I have my response typed already so it's just a copy and paste but I'd like to hear your thoughts on whether you agree or disagree and why.

Gears had already been used to slow so in this case it's irrelivant

[butcher bergs]

I'd say it's fairly relevant but respect the fact that this thread isn't about that so....

Ken - PM me. I'd enjoy exchanging our thoughts on this matter.

[union]

And this is the reason I run my brake lines around the outside of my forks

[CBR929RE]

I got a couple downshifts in with the rear brake. Was already in the grass by then. None help..... In better news... The doc just called in my script for vicoden!!!!! Yeahhhh

taking the sissy way out instead of just sucking it up I see

[landricscustoms]

taking the sissy way out instead of just sucking it up I see

Yup

[WordTooYoMamma]

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Heal up rich, drive that 750 around, it will make you feel better

[Ken C]

I'd say it's fairly relevant but respect the fact that this thread isn't about that so....

Ken - PM me. I'd enjoy exchanging our thoughts on this matter.

PM'd for a stimulating discussion about rear brake vs engine braking.

[butcher bergs]

PM'd for a stimulating discussion about rear brake vs engine braking.

Your insight is very much welcome, Ken. I will send my retort when I get to my other PC.

Thank you, BTW. I look forward to sharing and learning something.

[landricscustoms]

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Heal up rich, drive that 750 around, it will make you feel better

THANKS BRO.. no riding in for a few weeks for me unfortunitely..

[landricscustoms]

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Its just harder to lowside a bike on purpose than one would think. sure. jumping on the rear brake will get the back end around but self presevation unknowingly kicks in and leaves the bike pretty upright. you would actually have to lean/fall off the bike while jacking the rear brake in order to lowside it.

i was trying to lay back to fall off when the rear caught a bump in the grass.. then newtons law kicked in.. and i was intantly turned upwards and flung off the bike.. DAMN that Newton fellow..

[SAB]

Fack. Here's to a speedy recovery Rich. Let me know if I can help out at all. - Seth

[hondarider102]

Please don't treat your customers brakes as if they where your own... This is kind of a scary thing to hear happen to someone who works on other people bikes professionally.

That is a pretty major technical oversight.

He didn't touch the bike, he bought is and rode it so how would this have anything to do with the work he does?

[butcher bergs]

Staying the hell outta this one.

[hondarider102]

Staying the hell outta this one.

lol i just don't get how something he never touched would have an affect on the work he does

[hondarider102]

Would you buy a bike, not go through it and go straight to the racetrack? Any used bike should be gone through and looked over first. Especially if it is going to the race track, and you would think even more so if it is bought by a mechanic. Brakes should be #1 on that list. A brake line that rubs the tire under braking has to be pretty wrong, not a common easy over site.

not that i really want to get into it but it was oversighted by not only him, but also tech and everyone else. There was approximately a 1 to 1.5 inch gap between the tire and the brake lines when the bike wasn't moving, so at a quick look, it looked fine, i'm sure if he had done a full inspection on the bike he would have noticed some wear marks on the line but he had just bought the bike, i do get your point but it was something that was really unnoticeable, right after the crash while he was in the ambulance me, oxx and mike looked his bike over and did not notice the hole in the brake line until rich came back and said that he lost his front brakes. It was stupid engineering from whoever decided to run the brake line like it was and to trim the front fender most likely for more air flow to the engine. I am confident in Rich's ability as a custom shop operator and have no doubt this would not have happened had he been the one to do all the work to this bike, he would not have ran the brake line like it was.