mass attempting to pass new dog laws

[mzdagrl]

That's complete bullshit... ANY dog can snap at anytime!

I've seen Cocker Spaniels freak out and almost take a kids nose off, so I don't buy into the breed crap.

I agree with this.

The fact of the matter is, is that certain breeds, due to their muscular builds and trainability, have been targeted by mean owners who teach them to be guard dogs, dog-fighters, or just plain mean. Humans, cats, horses, ferrets, whatever....if you know how to train something you can train it to be docile or you can train it to kill. Dogs just happen to be easier to train than many animals.

[ChrisNoF4i]

... ANY dog can snap at anytime!

So you agree that Pitbulls can snap at any time? Good. I rest my case.

I've seen Cocker Spaniels freak out and almost take a kids nose off, so I don't buy into the breed crap.

Difference being, I can stomp the shit out of a cocker spaniel if it gets out of line.

I agree 100% with you, its not the breed its the owner and how the dog was raised.

Naivety at it's finest. Breeding, by definition is the act of strengthening certain traits of people or animals. If you're ugly, I'm willing to bet that your momma ugly and your dadda ugly too. These things don't happen by accident, it's science. You can't capture a baby shark in the ocean, come home, put it in your fishbowl and expect it to make friends with your goldfish.

With the same argument any person can snap at any time, should we all stay away from everyone for the same reasons assuming everyone is potentially bad?

Don't try your logic games on me. I went to college ya know. And while I don't stay away from all persons, I do stay out of certain neighborhoods at night. Why do I do that you ask? Not because I am racist, but because people in those specified neighborhoods are prone to random acts of violence (kind of like a certain dog breed I know.) Like I said, I've known some sweetheart "pitbulls" but I've also seen the wrath of those same sweethearts once the screws loosen up.

Humans, cats, horses, ferrets, whatever....if you know how to train something you can train it to be docile or you can train it to kill. Dogs just happen to be easier to train than many animals.

If you bare a son who grows up to be freakishly tall and muscular, are you going to train him to ride a horse or are you going to train him to become a force to be reckoned with on the basketball court?

[Slyder]

That's complete bullshit... ANY dog can snap at anytime!

I've seen Cocker Spaniels freak out and almost take a kids nose off, so I don't buy into the breed crap.

Last summer out riding I stopped at a touristy attraction, walked by a dog (JR Terrier, or a mutt, I can't remember)...he/she sniffed me as i stuck out my hand, wagging its tail, all happy. we were cool. half an hour later I walked back by said dog and got bit on my lower left leg.

Wonder what happened to the happy tail wagging and being cool. I didn't make a stink about it though I probably should have. It could easily have been one of the many younger kids there that day. Hell, it could have been anyone NOT wearing armored alpinestars leather and boots. I didn't even feel it, but I saw the little bassard.

this thread still doesn't have any fucking thing to do with bikes

see above. now it does.

[mzdagrl]

If you bare a son who grows up to be freakishly tall and muscular, are you going to train him to ride a horse or are you going to train him to become a force to be reckoned with on the basketball court?

well, I would probably not train him to do either if he didnt want to (not to mention i am neither an equestrian nor a proficient basketball player)....but being a ruthless basketballer is more like having a dog who is a ruthless fetch-player. i would not train my son to be a sniper, or a ufc fighter for example, and that is my usa-given right to choose hat.

[Slyder]

well, I would probably not train him to do either if he didnt want to (not to mention i am neither an equestrian nor a proficient basketball player)....but being a ruthless basketballer is more like having a dog who is a ruthless fetch-player. i would not train my son to be a sniper, or a ufc fighter for example, and that is my usa-given right to choose hat.

speaking of ruthless fetch player, I use to know a girl with a rottie. Nice dog, till you picked up a stick. If you didn't throw that stick before the dog got close enough to jump...say hello to the hospital ER. I almost messed up throwing a stick for it. Did it aim for the stick? hell no, it was going for my arm. Every time.

[be4tnut]

Naivety at it's finest. Breeding, by definition is the act of strengthening certain traits of people or animals. If you're ugly, I'm willing to bet that your momma ugly and your dadda ugly too. These things don't happen by accident, it's science. You can't capture a baby shark in the ocean, come home, put it in your fishbowl and expect it to make friends with your goldfish.

Naivety at it's finest. Pitbulls were bread to fight other dogs, hence they sometimes can have aggression towards other dogs. Whether you train them to act on these urges or do their best to choose a more passive action. They are also known for their loyalty, love for people and having a better temperament than most dogs. I guarantee 99.9% of Pitbull attacks were provoked or their trainers had rewarded them for their aggressive bahvior.

You're trying to compare non-domesticated animals to domesticated animals with your shark comment.

Don't try your logic games on me. I went to college ya know. And while I don't stay away from all persons, I do stay out of certain neighborhoods at night. Why do I do that you ask? Not because I am racist, but because people in those specified neighborhoods are prone to random acts of violence (kind of like a certain dog breed I know.) Like I said, I've known some sweetheart "pitbulls" but I've also seen the wrath of those same sweethearts once the screws loosen up.

And I am sure in most cases these "random acts of violence" were probably brought on by hanging out with the wrong crowd (such as criminals or maybe gang members) that have rewarded them for choosing these actions. There are also people who walk into schools or office buildings who start shooting the places up due to something pushing them to their limits either there on the spot or over time. Then there are the exceptions to any rule and have something wrong with them that makes them a violent person for no apparent reason, like the inability to know right from wrong.

Some other very agressive dogs include German Shepherds, Dalmatians, Chow Chows and Malamutes. Unfortunately usually when those dogs attack its looked more at a freak occurrence since they don't look mean.

If you bare a son who grows up to be freakishly tall and muscular, are you going to train him to ride a horse or are you going to train him to become a force to be reckoned with on the basketball court?

If he had a love for horses you would let him ride horses. Unless your a parent that would put aside the childs feeling and put him down when he tries to act on them forcing him to do something he doesn't enjoy.

[be4tnut]

speaking of ruthless fetch player, I use to know a girl with a rottie. Nice dog, till you picked up a stick. If you didn't throw that stick before the dog got close enough to jump...say hello to the hospital ER. I almost messed up throwing a stick for it. Did it aim for the stick? hell no, it was going for my arm. Every time.

Yeah rotties can potentially be aggressive also. Your incident makes me wonder why it was going for your arm all the time you had the stick. I wonder if previously it may have been hit with a stick and felt threatened... who knows.

Anyways the bottom line is you never know what an animal may do next whether its your brother, a dog or a koala bear.

I think this post has strayed a little to far from the original topic though haha.

[Slyder]

This one was still a puppy. Nearly full grown. Lack of time / attention and training I guess.

But still, if a kid or anyone not paying attention / didn't know the dog happened to pick up a stick and that dog wasn't on a leash....

not good

[ChrisNoF4i]

I guarantee 99.9% of Pitbull attacks were provoked or their trainers had rewarded them for their aggressive bahvior.

Is that a money-back guarantee? Can I get that in writing? Now you just sound like a bad infomercial.

You're trying to compare non-domesticated animals to domesticated animals with your shark comment.

No comparison was stated or implied. I was simply laying down a fact pattern regarding sharks and their propensity to eat goldfish.

And I am sure in most cases these "random acts of violence" were probably brought on by hanging out with the wrong crowd (such as criminals or maybe gang members) that have rewarded them for choosing these actions.

Many gang members own "pitbulls". Coincidence?

There are also people who walk into schools or office buildings who start shooting the places up due to something pushing them to their limits either there on the spot or over time.

I like to call those people.... c r a z y.

Some other very agressive dogs include German Shepherds, Dalmatians, Chow Chows and Malamutes. Unfortunately usually when those dogs attack its looked more at a freak occurrence since they don't look mean.

You think "pitbulls" get a bad rap because they look mean? I think you're "barking" up the wrong tree there.

If he had a love for horses you would let him ride horses. Unless your a parent that would put aside the childs feeling and put him down when he tries to act on them forcing him to do something he doesn't enjoy.

I'm talking 6'10'', 275. You still gonna put the kid on a horse? Poor horse.

[be4tnut]

Is that a money-back guarantee? Can I get that in writing? Now you just sound like a bad infomercial.

Yes it is a money back guarantee... I received no money so I will gladly return the same amount to need be. It is also in writing, I typed it here didn't I? If I hand wrote it you probably wouldn't be able to read it anyways... I should write infomercials, I bet that would be fun...

No comparison was stated or implied. I was simply laying down a fact pattern regarding sharks and their propensity to eat goldfish.

My mistake, I assumed it was somehow related to what you were talking about and thought you had put it there to somehow support your view of the discussion.

Many gang members own "pitbulls".

Actually no its not a coincidence. They are people of bad judgment usually influenced by the gang life close to or in their own home or area. They usually have these dogs due to a need to protect themselves from each other and train the dogs to be aggressive and also to try and further their image since the dog looks tough and mean. A lot of dog owners choose dogs that they feel is a representation of themselves. Not all, but a lot do...

Coincidence? I like to call those people.... c r a z y.

Agreed, the type of people outlined earlier definitely fall under the crazy category haha.

You think "pitbulls" get a bad rap because they look mean? I think you're "barking" up the wrong tree there.

No but that is part of it. They do have a very tough and mean look to them especially when showing their teeth. They are a very intimidating looking dog a lot of the times. The fact they have a locking jaw and can kill animals larger than them just make matters worse for them.

I'm talking 6'10'', 275. You still gonna put the kid on a horse? Poor horse.

Well horses are very strong animals but yeah would be a bit of a strain on its back probably... Maybe we can compromise and get him a camel instead?



Dont' get me wrong I am not arguing with you like you I just knocked over your bike, you saw me do it and I am arguing that it wasn't me that knocked it over sort of argument. I consider it more of a discussion and we are both entitled to our opinions obviously... I just hate how Pitbulls get a bad rep as a whole due to the fact that there are some bad apples out there whether its provoked, a freak occurrence or bad trainers.

With that being said I think we should turn this into a "Who can fit more quotes in their post while staying on our own current topic, or the original topic of the post" haha

[ChR1s]

To hell with pitbulls, we need a law to enforce tipping wait staff!

[ChrisNoF4i]

To hell with pitbulls, we need a law to enforce tipping wait staff!

You want a tip? Don't try to pet a seemingly docile pitbull!

[NobodySpecific]

To add more fuel to the pitbull fire, my friends have two pitbulls, one male and one female, both rescued from the shelter. The male is the sweetest dog I have met, the only way he will hurt you is when his whip like tail hits your leg while you are petting him (the only reason he needs a leash in public is so he won't play with all of the other dogs). The female, however, can be aggressive towards dogs she doesn't know (especially females) but she is also very sweet towards people. They are both great dogs, and as long as the female is on a short leash when there are other dogs around they don't bother anybody, but because of her I can understand the argument against them (I don't support banning any breed though). The female did growl and bark at me once when I was walking up in the dark, and if I didn't know her I would have shit my pants and run, talk about intimidating!

[bigred875]

holy shit, is this what it is like when i post about politics?