Misano World Circuit To Be Named After Marco Simoncelli

[Degsy]

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You want to name a racetrack in Italy after a soldier who died protecting American freedom?

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You want to name a racetrack in Italy after a soldier who died protecting American freedom?

Degsy don't twist words in a silly attempt to argue, soldiers from many countries participate in peace keeping efforts around the world. My point is from a worldwide stand point. While they are tragic for everyone, and I was extremely moved by the loss when I watched the crash. I think high profile deaths are often over sensationalized by the media. This is an over the top way of a race-track piggy backing on a tragic death to direct media attention to itself.

[butcher bergs]

Who's the hottie in post 23?

[Degsy]

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Ever been to Misano?
The track doesn't need media attention.

Ok. Let's assume Italy has troops in Afghanistan. Let's now assume that they have lost any lives. I don't know whether or not they have but let's assume.

My question is which fallen soldier should they name the track after?

You're missing the point. The track isn't up for renaming. It's only being renamed because of marco's death.

I think you're post is hugely flawed.

[Degsy]

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And I think it's a very far stretch and an insult to soldiers to go on about them protecting our right to
Race motorcycles
Buy a coffee
Get drunk
Etc

They aren't protecting anyones freedom but possibly the people in the countries we are at war in.

[scottieducati]

[OreoGaborio]

But just for the record, you know where to find sympathy, Oreo-Dood?

In the dictionary. It's right there between "shit" and "syphilis". And so it goes. Love ya, dood, but this deification of peeps that messed up is a little nauseating.

"Sympathy" is also between "fucking" and "wackjob".
Love me all you want. The love is not mutual.

[Expat]

Naming tracks or even corners for stars of motorsport is very common in Europe, practically every turn in every well known circuit is named after a rider or driver who has either been great or sadly died participating in their chosen sport.
This would never happen in the US because naming rights are only sold here not given on merit and the goverment is broke!!

[Mr. Kurtz]

Am I the only one who can't read the word "dood" without imagining the guy typing to look like this:

Who's the hottie in post 23?

I also would like to know the answer to this question.

[OreoGaborio]

Agreed. I have no issue with Misano naming a race track after anyone they feel deserves remembering. I don't see it as a "ploy" to get media attention or anything else.

That kinda tells me something about the USA when that's the first conclusion we jump to, though.

[kb1]

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And I think it's a very far stretch and an insult to soldiers to go on about them protecting our right to
Race motorcycles
Buy a coffee
Get drunk
Etc

They aren't protecting anyones freedom but possibly the people in the countries we are at war in.

I am not going to get into a political argument with you, this isn't the thread for it.

Naming tracks or even corners for stars of motorsport is very common in Europe, practically every turn in every well known circuit is named after a rider or driver who has either been great or sadly died participating in their chosen sport.
This would never happen in the US because naming rights are only sold here not given on merit and the goverment is broke!!

Neil there is a big difference between naming a CORNER, and naming the entire facility. As Oxx said, what about the rider that died last year on the same track? Why was this not suggested at that time? Maybe soldiers were a bad example but all I'm trying to say is a lot of people die doing great things, and they never get the media attention that these high profile deaths bring.

[wesvailco]

Santa Moniac SpA, the company that manages the track, does not intend to use Simoncelli's name for any potential commercial benefits in the future.

-It will remain the Missano World Circuit in name.

-Luca Colaiacovo is the president of the board of directors, one man with no votes. His idea will provide the track with maybe a building in his name and a trust-fund/scholarship type deal...also I'm sure, a bronze statue of Marco. Which is fitting tribute.

-Gressini is shopping for a new boy already. Honda needs an answer and honestly, while testing was today, someone needs to put a helmet on. Soon.

[kb1]

-Luca Colaiacovo is the president of the board of directors, one man with no votes. His idea will provide the track with maybe a building in his name and a trust-fund/scholarship type deal...also I'm sure, a bronze statue of Marco. Which is fitting tribute.

THIS is what I would expect, and would agree with 150%.

[scottieducati]

For one, the circuit won't be re-named, that's been covered.

For two, the rider who passed last year was a Moto2 rider, hardly someone with the name-recognition and fan base as Marco, someone whom you will not find a single person that would say he wasn't anticipated to be a *major* player and star for years to come. Plus, he's a home-boy, that counts for something.

I honestly don't get why anyone has any issue with what's going on, and the soldier component of it is completely irrelevant... unless the soldier happens to be a MotoGP or SBK racing star. Honoring military sacrifice or accomplishments at a commercial motorsports venue makes absolutely zero sense, as the spirit of motorsport is about friendly competition, not war and often stands in stark contrast to the global political climates.

I am not going to get into a political argument with you, this isn't the thread for it.

Neil there is a big difference between naming a CORNER, and naming the entire facility. As Oxx said, what about the rider that died last year on the same track? Why was this not suggested at that time? Maybe soldiers were a bad example but all I'm trying to say is a lot of people die doing great things, and they never get the media attention that these high profile deaths bring.

[kb1]

For two, the rider who passed last year was a Moto2 rider, hardly someone with the name-recognition and fan base as Marco, someone whom you will not find a single person that would say he wasn't anticipated to be a *major* player and star for years to come. Plus, he's a home-boy, that counts for something.

So you're suggesting that because this Moto2 rider didn't have "name-recognition" and a "fan-base," or wasn't projected to be a "major player" in motorcycle racing, his death is less significant as Marcos?

I think THAT is the problem with too many people, it shouldn't matter how big the name. Past the media attention, and all the hype, both men died racing motorcycles on that circuit at some of the highest levels. Yet they are treated so differently, in my mind they are both equally great losses. To put it bluntly, just because Marco was an amazing talent on the race track, it doesn't make him any better a man than the Moto2 rider.

[scottieducati]

LOL, if you want complete equality amongst everyone... I'm sure there are some communist options for you.

Fact of life is, there are inequalities. There are popularity contests. There are favorites, and there are those who despite everything on paper... connect with people more than others. Deal with it.

I'm surprised you didn't learn this in elementary school.

I never said his death was less significant, you put those words together. But for one, yes, he was in MotoGP the *premier* class, not a sub-class. That matters. Yes he's Italian, the track is Italian, the local fans (to the track) of the sport are Italian.

Lastly, they can do whatever the hell they want, it's their track. Another benefit of a free(well, free-ish) society. If you want to honor someone, build a track and name it after whomever you want.

So you're suggesting that because this Moto2 rider didn't have "name-recognition" and a "fan-base," or wasn't projected to be a "major player" in motorcycle racing, his death is less significant as Marcos?

I think THAT is the problem with too many people, it shouldn't matter how big the name. Past the media attention, and all the hype, both men died racing motorcycles on that circuit at some of the highest levels. Yet they are treated so differently, in my mind they are both equally great losses. To put it bluntly, just because Marco was an amazing talent on the race track, it doesn't make him any better a man than the Moto2 rider.

[kb1]

LOL, if you want complete equality amongst everyone... I'm sure there are some communist options for you.

Fact of life is, there are inequalities. There are popularity contests. There are favorites, and there are those who despite everything on paper... connect with people more than others. Deal with it.

I'm surprised you didn't learn this in elementary school.

I never said his death was less significant, you put those words together. But for one, yes, he was in MotoGP the *premier* class, not a sub-class. That matters. Yes he's Italian, the track is Italian, the local fans (to the track) of the sport are Italian.

Lastly, they can do whatever the hell they want, it's their track. Another benefit of a free(well, free-ish) society. If you want to honor someone, build a track and name it after whomever you want.

We differ in opinion, that's fine.

[scottieducati]

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We differ in our acceptance of reality, and life... that's fine.

[kb1]

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I chose to leave the thread without tossing insults, but if you would like to we can do that. I didn't think this was the thread for it.

[Expat]

Neil there is a big difference between naming a CORNER, and naming the entire facility. As Oxx said, what about the rider that died last year on the same track? Why was this not suggested at that time? Maybe soldiers were a bad example but all I'm trying to say is a lot of people die doing great things, and they never get the media attention that these high profile deaths bring.

Spoken like the wordly wise man that you are!

As with anything, the more famous you are the more attention you get. Had you heard of the previous rider? Was he riding at the world championship level.
Do you know how many people attended the funeral? Did you know it was televised live on national Italian TV! The Europeans are much more fanatical about their sports than the Americans and it has been traditional for decades to make this kind of gesture. I know that this seems strange to you, try taking a vacation in Europe and you will see for yourself!

[scottieducati]

Wasn't really an insult any more than saying we differ in "opinion." Acknowledging how the world works, why things happen, and that popularity is a huge factor in all aspects of life is not an opinion, it's called human nature.

Sure you can have an opinion that it shouldn't be that way, but bitching about it isn't going to change the fact that it's the way it is, has always been, and will forever be... favoritism due to intangible factors making up likability and popularity. Underscored by the fact that this is taking place in a country where patriotism is exceedingly high, motorsports are on-par with religion (nearly) and the result is an Italian institution choosing to honor an Italian rider with a display at an Italian track, your comments / concerns over it are little more than whining about something you know little about, you even got it all wrong thinking they were naming the facility after him.

At the end of the day, who fucking cares? It's a great way for them to honor a great rider, and countryman whom they tragically lost.



Not an insult in the slightest KB.

[ThisBitch]

I really can't wait until the "WHAT ABOUT THE TROOPS THAT HAVE DIED?!?!?!" thing goes away. Its an insult to those serving to use them in every argument you get in on the interwebs.

[OreoGaborio]

\Neil there is a big difference between naming a CORNER, and naming the entire facility. As Oxx said, what about the rider that died last year on the same track? Why was this not suggested at that time? Maybe soldiers were a bad example but all I'm trying to say is a lot of people die doing great things, and they never get the media attention that these high profile deaths bring.

The difference is, Marco was a well known racer and arguably an Italian national hero BEFORE his death.

[kb1]

Wasn't really an insult any more than saying we differ in "opinion." Acknowledging how the world works, why things happen, and that popularity is a huge factor in all aspects of life is not an opinion, it's called human nature.

Sure you can have an opinion that it shouldn't be that way, but bitching about it isn't going to change the fact that it's the way it is, has always been, and will forever be... favoritism due to intangible factors making up likability and popularity. Underscored by the fact that this is taking place in a country where patriotism is exceedingly high, motorsports are on-par with religion (nearly) and the result is an Italian institution choosing to honor an Italian rider with a display at an Italian track, your comments / concerns over it are little more than whining about something you know little about, you even got it all wrong thinking they were naming the facility after him.

At the end of the day, who fucking cares? It's a great way for them to honor a great rider, and countryman whom they tragically lost.



Not an insult in the slightest KB.

What you're missing is that I agree with you 100% about how the world works, and the reality of the whole situation. I am not naive to what is being said. The OP asked what we thought about the naming of the track, my opinion of that matter is that it is just another example of over-sensationalizing something. I could honestly care less either way.

[Expat]

I could honestly care less either way.

You mean you could not care less. If you could care less then it is something you care for, if you couldnt care less then it is something you don't care about...