*[Citation Needed]Originally Posted by a13x
Seth's post (#13 ironically enough) sums it up nicely. Dunno why you'd buy a 8 year old dirtbike/motard when there are plenty of 450's for "about the same/not much more" that are half the age and way better technology.
Boston --> San Diego
Tarded out and all. Where? I'll buy it tomorrow.
And to answer the why would you buy a 8 year old bike.....money. Want a motard but it will kill me to spend five grand on it..
hha yea, I'm Jon the asian kid from the LAPS day with the 675, was on the NU cycling team for 4 years. Good friends with Ricky D and he's built all my wheels, DH and road.
Royal690: Into the DH scene are we....
I hear ya. Keep your eyes peeled on Supermotojunkie.com
Lotta good deals will swing thru there. Was this guy in CT selling a pretty nicely done 04CRF450 for 3,500 recently.
Boston --> San Diego
Oh right word! Think we went over this didn't we? How did I know you were talking about Ricky... haha NU Cycling represent. So cool the team we started is still kicking ass!
Boston --> San Diego
Let me know, it's got dirtwheels on it now but can be changed over in less than 1/2 hour.I may have to take you up on that some time. I got the new bike bug, why right before winter...Also figure a motard can be converted back to dirt for the ocassional winter ride.
That's the key IMO is to be able to convert it back to dirt. An all out race Tard I can see that not being an issue but as a streetbike, trackday bike, and trail/MX/ice bike you'll be sure to get a 100% return for your money spent in year round fun
Yamaha
Will do. I can see this getting expensive.....
Yea we did, Unfortunately I've been pretty out of touch with the team and riding since I've graduated but I made some good friends and have some very fond memories of race weekends...
In late September I saw an ad from a dealer in Pittsfield,Ma. had an 2006 560smr street legal,with extra dirt suspension and dirt wheels in the $4,500 range.You should try to search it out,he had it on consignment I think...If I didn't already have one,I would jump on it. BTW,a 2001 YZ-426 is a bit old,but they had to be one of the most bulletproof 4 strokes there was,and if you street ride it,that counts,And I ain't no Yamaha spokesman either.
The KTM dealers (dirt) didn't know what to do with the 06/07 SMR's and some deals were to be had. $4,500 set up with street stuff is a steal.. back then they had a price tag of $7+K in 08, KTMs went up about $1K and another $1K for the 09. An 07 exc450 could be had new for $6500 now in 09 looking at almost $9500K ouch!!!! (EXC makes a great dual sport ride - darn things weight the same as my yamaha wr250F and pul pull pull)
However I wouldn't recommend a 560SMR as regulasr ride.. they are race motors and need to be treated as such... wide open on track - pulled down every +20 hrs or so of hard track use. I have had mine rebuild twice.... within 50hrs. (first time welded and balanced the crank)
Second time crank roller bearings ate themselves - now have a crank mod that the KTM factory guys use(ball bearing floating races on both ends -no more roller bearings for me) - hopefully it will go longer this time...
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Graham
"If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee — that will do them in"
Which reminds me of one thing....are all motards just waiting to blow upHowever I wouldn't recommend a 560SMR as regulasr ride.. they are race motors and need to be treated as such... wide open on track - pulled down every +20 hrs or so of hard track use. I have had mine rebuild twice.... within 50hrs. (first time welded and balanced the crank)
Second time crank roller bearings ate themselves - now have a crank mod that the KTM factory guys use. Seems like everyone talks of them as having extreme maintenance issues. Is there no bike out there that can go all day with out the worry of explosion
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All depends on the machine. A stock motored XR650 that's not geared super short should just require oil changes, occasionally, if doing so isn't going to impact your schedule or anything... A built to the nines CRF450 can eat valves, pistons, cranks, etc REAL quick. That's what draws me to the early Yamaha four strokes*, as long as you keep fresh oil in them, and don't build them too heavily, they seem to just keep going and going. Put in a cam chain every season when you tear down to inspect, and they should be problem free.
* Plus, with Yamaha having a bit of a head start, the early years are generally pretty cheap to get into, $1500 to $2000 depending on year and setup.
good point.... but over 1600 miles from (each of my race) engines is not to bad.. that's a big chunk of mass flying around in there 500-700cc piston... and between 2-3X the swept volume of SV 650's up to litre bikes.Which reminds me of one thing....are all motards just waiting to blow up
Graham
"If computers get too powerful, we can organize them into a committee — that will do them in"
Buy a DRZ400 if you want something to ride around on and not do much to,be warned,they're heavy,and don't get out of their own way.Think of it this way,a good motard can put out 50-60+ hp.Imagine that hp in a 200-250 lb package,=fun!!!.If you like to stunt[I don't stunt],this Bud's for you. How long do you think a little engine like that will stay in one piece if you continously flog it?To me,they are the ultimate urban assault machine,even though I don't city ride.It is a welcome break from a sportbike,and they handle better than anyof them,if you ride it right.JMO,Al
Impact my schedule??
Am I coming of as lazy? Not what i had intended, I am just looking for a bike that can handle a couple thousand miles without the need for major work. Any minor maintenence is to be expected with any bike.
Which reminds me of one thing....are all motards just waiting to blow up
Kurlon pretty much hit the nail on the head
No first hand experiance with any of these models but from what I've read (and if you dig, there's tons of info to back it up), the KTM 560SMR and the Aprilia SXV 06-07 are ticking time bombs in stock form, and the Honda CRF 450 has head/valve issues in some years.
I had a 00 YZ 426 and after 3 years of mx, trail and ice riding I motarded it and put it on the track. 2 trackdays in the fall of 2003 and raced 3-4 races each race weekend for the entire 04 season. I put oil+filters and gas in that bike and that was it.
Next was a 04 YZ450, broke it in at the last race weekend of 04 as a motard ice rode it all that winter, a double trackday at VIR in the spring of 05..I honestly thought it was going to pop at this track because I never let off on the straight and was topped out at the beginning of the straight, raced the entire 05 season and sold it to another NESR member who put some street miles on it. Again, oil+filters and gas...never a single issue.
My KTM 525 has been bulletproof as well. 6500 miles total, about 2,000 of those are dirt/trail miles, the rest are street and a couple open practice sessions at the LRRS weekends.
Oil+filters, gas, 3 valve adjustments and a counter shaft seal are the only things I've done.
Still going strong and looks good as well for the time on it
Yamaha
Sounds to me like you would be better off With a DRZ400. Its a perfect first motard with Huge aftermarket and BB support. They are worry free. I have owned and raced many fast and slow bikes, I bought a DRZ this smmer and its freaking awesome I modded it a little to get some more power. But for city riding and back road stuff it will really impress you. It will be better on the highway then a YZF and all you do is change the oil. if you ride it for a season or two then maybe bump up to a KTM or something.
And on the right road I can leave a gixxer for dead in a few corners
Zip Tie Alley Racing #444
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Get the XR! You don't have to think twice about it. (Well at least not til you hit the tight woods)....."FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK...did he say Mark?"Impact my schedule??
Am I coming of as lazy? Not what i had intended, I am just looking for a bike that can handle a couple thousand miles without the need for major work. Any minor maintenence is to be expected with any bike.
'95 ZX7/9
'02 XR650R
'78 KZ1000
Thanks for the advice.....Lost me at the end thoughGet the XR! You don't have to think twice about it. (Well at least not til you hit the tight woods)....."FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK...did he say Mark?"
Inside joke...
'95 ZX7/9
'02 XR650R
'78 KZ1000
Not sure where your from but, were you able to get your xr street legal?
Yup, I'm in Mass. Pretty big run around, but I got it done. I can provide advice but not on an open forum. Check PM in a few mins.
'95 ZX7/9
'02 XR650R
'78 KZ1000
Get the XR! You don't have to think twice about it. (Well at least not til you hit the tight woods)....."FUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK...did he say Mark?"
You're so lucky I can't find those picturesWait, maybe I do have them...
If you fall alot in the woods like Rye does, you may want to think about electric start....wait did I just say that out loud?Twas a fun day
Yamaha
me likey
2001 RC51!!!
2007 Husky SMR 510 - no longer... blown tranny
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