power commander question..

[Mystic]

not sure if this is the right section but i have a 02 gsxr 750 ...stock air filter and just a slip on yoshi pipe ....i dont race , do twistys or stunt , just ride nothing crazy does my bike need a PC at all or any kind of map ? thanks

[Awesome]

no

[deeto]

no

lol

well there ya go.

seriously though, a PCIII might give you a slight HP increase but more importantly it will smooth out power delivery across the rpm range, and just make the bike run better. If you have an extra $280 for the PCIII and $200 for a custom map lying around, I say go for it.

[akira700]

It made a big difference on my bike (an 05 600RR).
At stock setting its sluggish ( all zero map)

With a Jardine off the shelf map its much more punchy
at lower revs. I mean I can feel it, its obviously more powerful.
I had it custom mapped to but the Jardine map was better.

I'd say its worth it. Mine came with the bike
I bought though so I didnt have to think about it.

[Awesome]

My 600RR racebikes don't have them. You don't race, stunt, or ride twistys, you just cruise around town. Do you NEED one? Absolutely not. No way. And i will go so far as to say anyone that tells you that you do NEED one is 100% wrong.

If you WANT to spend your money on one that's your business. You will not notice any difference.

[deeto]

I had it custom mapped to but the Jardine map was better.

What's up with that??? My R6 was the same way. With a std map off the website the bike made more power than after it was custom mapped. This speaks only to power, not smoothness which I suspect was improved but I haven't tested it yet.

Who did your map?

[Mystic]

My 600RR racebikes don't have them. You don't race, stunt, or ride twistys, you just cruise around town. Do you NEED one? Absolutely not. No way. And i will go so far as to say anyone that tells you that you do NEED one is 100% wrong.

If you WANT to spend your money on one that's your business. You will not notice any difference.

long time man .....thanks for the input guys ..i dont go crazy with my bikes just ride them i just want some other opions before i went and spent 260 on a PC and off the shelf map ..

[skiierx]

Jay is right on with this one. Why spend the money for it if you are only going to putt around on the thing. If you start doing long ditance rides involving nice roads and an ocassional track day then you would benefit from one. As far as the custom map goes you do not need that either. Go with the map from the exhaust manufacturers, they already spent the money! Custom maps are only as good as the dyno person you go too and finding a good one is difficult.

[Kitt]

My 600RR racebikes don't have them. You don't race, stunt, or ride twistys, you just cruise around town. Do you NEED one? Absolutely not. No way. And i will go so far as to say anyone that tells you that you do NEED one is 100% wrong.

If you WANT to spend your money on one that's your business. You will not notice any difference.

you're right, he doesn't need one... but I have to disagree with you won't feel a difference. Your stock ecu may have some pretty smooth maps, but I know my gsxr600 has some flat spots that supposedly are fixed with a basic map and PC.

I have one on my 1000 with full exhaust, and most likely putting one on the 600 to see if it rids it of those weak spots.

[Currently]

260 bucks for the PCIII
300 bucks for the dyno runs at RJ's Motorsports

Is it worth it?

Hell no ... I don't care what anyone says.

Take that money and put it in suspension or track days.

My opinion, my money, my experience. FWIW.

[SVRACER01]

you're right, he doesn't need one... but I have to disagree with you won't feel a difference. Your stock ecu may have some pretty smooth maps, but I know my gsxr600 has some flat spots that supposedly are fixed with a basic map and PC.

I have one on my 1000 with full exhaust, and most likely putting one on the 600 to see if it rids it of those weak spots.

i think he meant.. "as someone who just rides around town, you probably wont notice" whereas "we" would.

[Mystic]

ya guys i just ride around town , i dont really push the bike to much so after doing some reading i am going to save the money ....thanks again

[TLRMan]

ya guys i just ride around town , i dont really push the bike to much so after doing some reading i am going to save the money ....thanks again

It all depends on what you are looking for....
Are you the "A" type that needs everything perfect, no hesitation, quick start ups, decent fuel economy, and power and torque to boot?

Or are the IDGAC type (I don't give a crap). and just ride it the way the EPA, and EURO III told the manufacturer to make it run.

The issue with races bikes, is that they "live" at an RPM, that's usually above and beyond the limitations, the ECU can handle the requirements, and they don't punch holes in the pistons, thus don't need any changes. Racing at a track like Loudon, you could probably get away with it, but go to Daytona, or a track that allows a long top gear run, chances are, you will want to invest in some type of fuel management system

But if you are into your bike, like most people, and want to enjoy it with smooth power delivery at any RPM and throttle position, you may want to look into some fuel mapping management also....

No, I don't work for Powercommander or have my own dyno house...but 99.9% of the time I work on a bike, it needs some kind of ECU Tom Foolery.

[Mystic]

It all depends on what you are looking for....
Are you the "A" type that needs everything perfect, no hesitation, quick start ups, decent fuel economy, and power and torque to boot?

Or are the IDGAC type (I don't give a crap). and just ride it the way the EPA, and EURO III told the manufacturer to make it run.

The issue with races bikes, is that they "live" at an RPM, that's usually above and beyond the limitations, the ECU can handle the requirements, and they don't punch holes in the pistons, thus don't need any changes. Racing at a track like Loudon, you could probably get away with it, but go to Daytona, or a track that allows a long top gear run, chances are, you will want to invest in some type of fuel management system

But if you are into your bike, like most people, and want to enjoy it with smooth power delivery at any RPM and throttle position, you may want to look into some fuel mapping management also....

No, I don't work for Powercommander or have my own dyno house...but 99.9% of the time I work on a bike, it needs some kind of ECU Tom Foolery.

im both to a point thou some days i feel like i want the bike to be perfect other days i dont care ...i proably will pass on it as i always get a new bike every 2 years or so and this is my 2nd year with this one so mid summer its going

[Kham]

260 bucks for the PCIII
300 bucks for the dyno runs at RJ's Motorsports

Is it worth it?

Hell no ... I don't care what anyone says.

Take that money and put it in suspension or track days.

My opinion, my money, my experience. FWIW.

i was gonna say... i've been debating for awhile.