VT: Friday 8/22 EP and T Rd

[Doc]

[catamount]

You guys missed a fun ride...

[TimmyB]

nifty

[TimmyB]

with all the fancy cameras there that day, i guess somebody has to post some photos;

[Trouble]

Here's some shots from the first part of the day.

Picasa Web Albums - John - T Road 08.22.08

[Trouble]

A couple other riders and myself went back to T Road on Sunday. There were a lot less bikes than on Friday - but more cars. Slow movers though, so it was fine if you gave them a good head start. A good number of bicyclists too.

Did a more moderate pace on the road - had a great time scrubbing in my new tires and working on my lines. It was great to force myself to pick a good pace and just work on rockin through the corners at a good clip instead of screaming back and forth up the road.

[Mr Bread]

Nice Pictures!!!

[Slyder]

damn my right knee is almost down.

I gotta get me some rear sets


Nice pics

[TimmyB]

i took my feelers off my stockers a few years back and still ground the crap out of them on T road. since then i got some better body position and painfully high Woodcrafts while staying on the throttle through the corners and im able to go faster with no dragging. I also like the rigidity and feel of the new pegs.

kyle is just so smooth on the F2!

[Slyder]

I think part of my problem is I'm only 5'8 and leather restricts movement a bit. I stick my knee out and hang off the saddle and not much happens. I stop and look at the tire and see absolutely nothing for chicken strips. Makes me wonder what would happen if I leaned a little more...bad things I'm guessing.

I did however listen to Bill before we hit T******* rd. I had a complex when it came to turning left, just wasn't comfortable doing it. The first few turns I was thinking about and trying what he had explained to Tyler earlier...a few left turns later and I realized I was turning left and leaning propperly without a problem. As a result, I got the left knee down a few times.

[Doc]

I think part of my problem is I'm only 5'8 and leather restricts movement a bit. I stick my knee out and hang off the saddle and not much happens. I stop and look at the tire and see absolutely nothing for chicken strips. Makes me wonder what would happen if I leaned a little more...bad things I'm guessing.

I did however listen to Bill before we hit T******* rd. I had a complex when it came to turning left, just wasn't comfortable doing it. The first few turns I was thinking about and trying what he had explained to Tyler earlier...a few left turns later and I realized I was turning left and leaning propperly without a problem. As a result, I got the left knee down a few times.

As to the first problem... Body position

As to the second paragraph. You need to get some proper instruction from someone who has been to more than 1 trackday.

[Slyder]

hey now, if I didn't hear what he was saying, I'd still have a complex with left turns.

Now to see if I retained what I learned....hmmm.

Body position yea, but I can't hang off the saddle anymore than I was, I don't think. I need some track time I guess

[Doc]

hey now, if I didn't hear what he was saying, I'd still have a complex with left turns.

Now to see if I retained what I learned....hmmm.

Body position yea, but I can't hang off the saddle anymore than I was, I don't think. I need some track time I guess

True... not saying it was wrong advice...

I don't think you have to hang off all that much. It is more about where your weight is, if your relaxed, etc.

***Disclaimer: Doc is not an expert and is not trying to give riding advice***

[Slyder]

It's all good. Doc sure knows more than I do though.

Some others mentioned ARC? course...might have spelled that wrong. That might be beneficial to take. Even a trackday would teach me a lot.

[Trouble]

Next summer I'm definately going to pony up for an ARC class followed by a track day. The cost of travelling down to NHIS are pretty high so I'd rather do a 2 day event. Combined with the benefit of practicing the ARC lessons on the following day on the track, I can't imagine a better scenario. Now I'm just hoping that I can afford another bike between now and then. And a set of leathers with knee pucks. Santa had better be really friggin good to me!

[Doc]

Next summer I'm definately going to pony up for an ARC class followed by a track day. The cost of travelling down to NHIS are pretty high so I'd rather do a 2 day event. Combined with the benefit of practicing the ARC lessons on the following day on the track, I can't imagine a better scenario. Now I'm just hoping that I can afford another bike between now and then. And a set of leathers with knee pucks. Santa had better be really friggin good to me!

I know where you might be able to pick up a trackbike for cheap.

[Trouble]

Whatever I do is going to have to wait 'till spring. There is just nothing left in the coffers right now.

[Doc]

Whatever I do is going to have to wait 'till spring. There is just nothing left in the coffers right now.

When you are ready let me know...

[Trouble]

Will do - we'll see each other between now and then, I'm sure.

[MotoFreak]

As to the first problem... Body position

As to the second paragraph. You need to get some proper instruction from someone who has been to more than 1 trackday.

yea yea, poke away...however, track days did not teach me anything that I did not already know...just a few people described body position in a different light.
Thus I take what I have been taught, what I have read, and what I have applied in my own riding, and pass it on...its good solid stuff, and good solid instruction.

True... not saying it was wrong advice...

I don't think you have to hang off all that much. It is more about where your weight is, if your relaxed, etc.

***Disclaimer: Doc is not an expert and is not trying to give riding advice***

I'm not an expert, and def. not a racer, but it's obvious that my advice helped, cause Slyder showed improvement, and I do very much enjoy passing on what I have learned (sometimes the hard way ).

That being said, proper weight distribution, and being loose and relaxed when you are distributing that weight (hanging off) is going to benifit you better than straining to hang off more, and tensing up your body.
Also getting a knee down is not the goal, and should not be...its just something that will happen along the way, whether you are at the track, or on T Rd.
Also, there are different styles of weight distribution that can be practiced. Watch how Duhamel rides, or Tony Iannarelli from TTD. I would say they have a similar style. Chest over the tank, butt off the seat...where as a guy like Matt Mladin keeps his torso and hips in line with each other when hanging off...then you have guys like Ben Spies who have extreme hang off positions...they are all fast, and all great riders who use different ways to achieve the same goal.

[Uncle Snake]

Kyle's got a nice mirror...............

[F4Iguy]

i just use the "if i don't hang off, im gonna crash" method... seems to work pretty well! (so far)

[markbvt]

Also, there are different styles of weight distribution that can be practiced. Watch how Duhamel rides, or Tony Iannarelli from TTD. I would say they have a similar style. Chest over the tank, butt off the seat...where as a guy like Matt Mladin keeps his torso and hips in line with each other when hanging off...then you have guys like Ben Spies who have extreme hang off positions...they are all fast, and all great riders who use different ways to achieve the same goal.

Or Mike Hailwood, who didn't hang off at all, just turned his shoulders in a bit.

--mark

[Doc]

Or Mike Hailwood, who didn't hang off at all, just turned his shoulders in a bit.

--mark

That is where Catamount gets it!

[Ryno]

Nice pics. Cool to see an old F2 gettin it on