Engine Build Cost

[CEO]

This is not me thinking I need more power for my rookie season, so save the flames. I just need to know from the folks who are familiar with this stuff, out of curiosity:

On average, what is the total cost (labor, machine shop work, parts, dyno, maybe a tune (not sure if that's usually included?)) to get a supersport engine build on a late model I4 SS bike?

[Kitt]

cheaply, 3G's

[CEO]

3G's.... does that include the cost of the engine itself or is that figure based on providing the builder with your stock engine?

thanks dude

[Kitt]

3G's.... does that include the cost of the engine itself or is that figure based on providing the builder with your stock engine?

thanks dude

i said cheaply.. I'll let you figure out the rest

[Degsy]

cheaply, 3G's

That's about right. Your stock motor would be required.

[Kitt]

That's about right. Your stock motor would be required.

no kidding... did you see who posted it?

[Degsy]

no kidding... did you see who posted it?

Heh heh, yeah. Just adding my agreement.

[RyanNicholson]

as much as I'm sure kitt's posts helped, to be honest...it isn't really worth it. Even most of the really fast guys run virtually stock engines. Once you start pushing the limits of the engine to gain that extra couple HP it becomes a very expensive endeavor. If you're worried about the cost of having it built...keep in mind what its gunna cost if/when it blows up.That said you can get someone to go through the engine and tune it up without hurting the reliability of it for much cheaper than $3k. You'd be better off doing all the usual bolt on parts, getting it mapped and calling it a day.

To answer your question as far as actual pricing goes... New England Performance has a list of starting rates on their website:
http://www.newenglandperformance.com/prices.php

Maybe ScottG will chime in with some insight? He knows a bit about this topic

[Degsy]

aEven most of the really fast guys run virtually stock engines.

[Kitt]

Even most of the really fast guys run virtually stock engines.

i dunno how much I believe that...

but yea, it's def. not cost effective for chris, and I think he knows that based on his first post.

[RyanNicholson]

i dunno how much I believe that...

maybe most wasn't the right word, but there are definitely guys running 13's or under without anything crazy done to the engine.

[Degsy]

maybe most wasn't the right word, but there are definitely guys running 13's or under without anything crazy done to the engine.

agreed.

[scottieducati]

Most of em also have a built engine and run the "stock" one when it blows up

[Sheppo]

Most of em also have a built engine and run the "stock" one when it blows up

BINGO.
Having a car racing back ground, aint NONE of the fast ones running anything STOCK.

[Kitt]

Most of em also have a built engine and run the "stock" one when it blows up

i'll buy that their rain bikes r stock haha... most guys have as much in their suspension or motors as I have in my bike

[RyanNicholson]

most guys have as much in their suspension or motors as I have in my bike

THAT must be why they're so damn fast then!

[Kitt]

THAT must be why they're so damn fast then!

that and few thousand laps more than us - but yea, i don't think you can expect anyone to go out there on a bike with 20 hp less or stock suspension and expect the same results... I'll stand by it, while not taking anything away from those guys - fast is fast, and those guys do it smoothly while making it seem effortless.

[Paul_E_D]

That would be wrong. I've known Shane to buy a bike and runs it with a map and pipe.

[Kitt]

That would be wrong. I've known Shane to buy a bike and runs it with a map and pipe.

who's this to?

[Paul_E_D]

To all the guys saying you need 20 extra HP to run at the front. I pitted with Shane for 2 years while he was making huge gains in times. Into the 12s, and I never saw anything but stock motors.

I don't know about this year, as he's had sponsorship, etc.

[Kitt]

To all the guys saying you need 20 extra HP to run at the front. I pitted with Shane for 2 years while he was making huge gains in times. Into the 12s, and I never saw anything but stock motors.

I don't know about this year, as he's had sponsorship, etc.

I haven't seen anyone say that in this thread. just that if you take somebody with a worked motor/susp bike and put them on a stocker, dont expect the same performance. I'm sure there's people out there that can put a stock bike into the :09's at loudon on street tires.

[Awesome]

I think it's obvious to everyone that performance upgrades will add performance to the bike.

What I think Paul is saying is the same as my view, which is worked engines are not common or overly necessary to run at the top of many classes. I'd say the middleweight + is the last class at loudon it would make a difference.

[Paul_E_D]

With suspension, I agree. That really needs to be dialed in to get to the hairy edge of reality. It doesn't necessarily have to cost a mint, but stock will not do it.

Motors on the other hand, I think plenty of guys will go just as fast on a current stock 600 as on a worked over motor at Loudon.

If I misread between the lines, sorry, but there's plenty of intimation here that it takes a worked motor to get to the front.

[Kitt]

With suspension, I agree. That really needs to be dialed in to get to the hairy edge of reality. It doesn't necessarily have to cost a mint, but stock will not do it.

Motors on the other hand, I think plenty of guys will go just as fast on a current stock 600 as on a worked over motor at Loudon.

If I misread between the lines, sorry, but there's plenty of intimation here that it takes a worked motor to get to the front.

got ya - doesn't hurt, that's for sure... and i'd imagine the hp differential is more noticeable at tracks with a higher avg. speed.

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

That would be wrong. I've known Shane to buy a bike and runs it with a map and pipe.

I saw Jeff Wood Pull a Brand New from the Dealer R1 off the Back of the truck In Homestead Miami Last year Swap the Motor into his bike (Pipe power commander Fuel rail ect. from his old bike) Break it in the Parking lot, And Absolutly kill the Field in GTO and Unlimited Grand Prix, Ran 2/100th of the Lap Record for Homestead. And if you ever raced in florida you know they put the SUPER in Superbike