Can someone explain the Pre-turn in 1

[xxdcmast]

I heard this alot this weekend. Do you preturn in 1???

Im like wtf is a pre turn.

[s a x m a n]

when you are heading down the front straight when you get the number boards you make a turn towards or turn in point for turn 1 (or the red box)

this give you more distance of being straight up to do your braking and shifting before throwing it in for turn 1

[xxdcmast]

Originally posted by s a x m a n
when you are heading down the front straight when you get the number boards you make a turn towards or turn in point for turn 1 (or the red box)

this give you more distance of being straight up to do your braking and shifting before throwing it in for turn 1

what red box?

[s a x m a n]

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so much too see out there

the red box is a key reference point coming into turn 1

looks for it

[Awesome]

I never saw that red box until last wed. I assumed it was from the nascar race.

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by hessogood
I never saw that red box until last wed. I assumed it was from the nascar race.

yeah, it is... It was there before, but they recently repainted it for Nascar a few weeks ago. Before it was a duller orange, now it's much brighter & more noticable. I've been using it for a while now but before it was there i just used the dashed & solid yellow lines that are right around it.

[OreoGaborio]

"the red box"

[s a x m a n]

nice visual aid pete

[rebelpacket]

What those guys said. Graham showed it to me at a TTD. Its how I get into one now. I used to make a sweepy arc into it, but I'd start braking at the 4 board. Now I'm starting to brake in between 3 and 2.

But pete and sax would know the proper place to start turning in and all that wayyy better than I ever would.

[OreoGaborio]

Here's another landmark I use for turn 1.

The "slabs"


Those are about 1-200 feet before the red box.

Alex, thanks for the kind words, but there's alot of other people that are far more deserving of giving turn 1 instruction than I

[rebelpacket]

Better (wider) view of the box, looking the opposite way.

[s a x m a n]

shit ... i don't think I ever saw those 3 cones at the start of turn 1

hahahah

[SVRACER01]

im over here somewhere

i think the "red box" line sucks

[13]

Originally posted by SVRACER01
im over here somewhere

i think the "red box" line sucks

I also!

I pass lots on the outside here. Then again I've bumped some unfortunate souls here, too.

[a13x]

+3

I use the solid white line (just outside of the pic where Oxx made the blue circle) as my 'cross-over' point.

T1 also happens to be my favourite turn and tend to run up on mofackers asses quite a bit.


I'm not above saying I'm probably doing it wrong and have put 'Practice traditional T1 Line' on my action item list, however, it's rather far down the list.... right now "Remember how to Ride" is at the top.

[SVRACER01]

i accidently ran that line in the rain and it makes the turn tighter stay out there longer = more cornerspeed. i with alex.. i run up on some people through there and it gives you a different exit option for a pass in 3

[OreoGaborio]

I've done both, comfortable w/ both... if i want to pass 99% of the time I take that outside line & clip the white line... it works well... if i'm in the clear i go just outsde the box...... I have no idea which one is faster though.

[Paul_E_D]

The wider line is bumpier, and promotes a lazier turn in. When I finally approached the deepest possible braking point, the wider line had me leaned over further on the brakes and hitting the bumpier part of the track. This would often set my bike into a strange slow motion tank slapper like osscilation leading me to run even wider at the apex. That line also seems to make the bike chatter and push more even if the oscillation doesn't happen.

The pre-turn, tighter line followed by a quick turn in just after the transition allows me the latest braking and earliest throttle opening. No bumps, no chatter, no slapper. MUCH less stressfull along with shorter and faster (at least for me)

[a13x]

Thx Paul.

[KB]

Which one is turn one again??

[OreoGaborio]

Originally posted by a13x
Thx Paul.

Thanks.

It's funny how I read things that you & other more experienced racers talk about and it either makes sense right then or makes sense later... that was one of those posts where as I read it I was like "oh man... so friggin true, I just never thought much about it".

[Paul_E_D]

As always, your style and bike may favor a different line, BUT I've ridden many bikes at loudon and they all do better on the smoother line with a quicker turn in.

The added benefit is that you are in the stronger position when racing. Pass up the inside, running your opponent wide allowing you to get on the gas earlier and harder between 1 and 1a. He's going to run out of track if tries to match you and you can slam the door shut into 1a. Pass on the outside, and you run the risk of losing the drag race to 1a and it's you who gets shut out.

[Awesome]

So you pre-turn and then brake? I take a bit of a wider line, and turn one is probably the only one that I don't feel any bumps at all.

[trackdog]

Originally posted by a13x
+3

I use the solid white line (just outside of the pic where Oxx made the blue circle) as my 'cross-over' point.

T1 also happens to be my favourite turn and tend to run up on mofackers asses quite a bit.


I'm not above saying I'm probably doing it wrong and have put 'Practice traditional T1 Line' on my action item list, however, it's rather far down the list.... right now "Remember how to Ride" is at the top.

[Paul_E_D]

Yes, If you go watch scotty, Jeff, etc. you see a clear steering input somewhere just before their brake marker. It's simple really. Change directions a little before maximum braking, then brake hard and change directions again as you ease off the brakes.

If you go straight past your brake marker, then you have to change directions during max braking. This might seem ok now, but when you reach the limit of late braking, it won't work out as well.

I'm sure some can get around one quickly with the wide line. I'm just laying out the benefits of the tighter line.