Fuel Spec at LRRS

[tsorfas]

Honestly, the CCS races I've done seem like a clusterfuck, and whatever the guys at LRRS have done to encourage the "culture" in NHMS has worked. Stuff gets stolen at the other events, and I don't think twice about leaving my bike unlocked or my toolbox on the bench at NH. People help each other out. We might not have the safest track, and people from other orgs can argue the rulebook is a little batty (telling you what you explicitly can't do and everything else is creative interpretation, where other orgs tell you what you can do. Much easier to comply with in my opinion) but I still prefer the way LRRS is run than any of the other events or orgs I've run with.

Jim, I know you missed it this year, but you can always bring these rule changes up at the rules meeting. Last year the rules I heard proposed made it into the books for this year. They listen.

Honestly bro, you nailed it there! All bullshit aside LRRS and especially our garages over there are a family. I legit went the entire season on borrowed stuff. I started by not being able to even safety wire on my won to know how to do some pretty serious work on my bike because PEOPLE helped me

[Jim]

Well you decided to crash and watch half the season plus you do the same races every weekend. I wanted to try new bikes and races.

I completed 34 races, while missing 2 rounds at NHMS. Crashing happens, as you know very well.

[MaRce1o]

Crashing doesnt just happen...i, for one, dont remember anything, therefore, it never happened

[butcher bergs]

I, for one, am happy you aren't getting your questions answered, seems to me like you need a tin foil hat. Also happy I don't have to listen to this BS at the riders meeting. Have fun racing WERA. LRRS, don't change a thing.

This is the type of response I'd expect from an 8 year old and is pretty much the general maturity level of a good number of the racers on this forum. Vindictive and petty.

And Mark, for a person who was crying 3 weeks ago and saying how you'd be ignoring me because I was stating the exact same thing 4 others were stating about a post of yours, predictably, you could not help yourself but to come back for more. Although it took longer than I estimated, you did it.




Colin - If you decide to cut your teeth at LRRS, great!! Let me know if I can help you in any way. Just think, act like and agree with them and you'll be fine!

[sdog30]

All I know is I don't get my JM Brown reward points when I buy gas at loudon. That means I don't get pennies off of items I wasn't going to buy anyways.

[tsorfas]

All I know is I don't get my JM Brown reward points when I buy gas at loudon. That means I don't get pennies off of items I wasn't going to buy anyways.

Pure robbery lol

[nhbubba]

Colin - If you decide to cut your teeth at LRRS, great!! Let me know if I can help you in any way.

Thanks man.

[csmutty]

The transponder would be nice if we could use the CCS version, i paid $80 for my and have had it for 2 years and its supposedly good for 5

This has already been covered. The westhold system is not as good as the AMB system. I have heard many complaints of the westhold units not working. Only time I have heard of the AMB ones not working is when people don't charge them.

[csmutty]

Racing with th ASRA guys I had a blast btw. And the few officials were extremely friendly and polite.
That might be my one problem with lrrs this year.
I signed up for the ASRA thunderbike while they were on pregrid.
I have tried 4 times this year to add races prior to 11am but after 930am and I was denied every time. Even in races with no other entries or willing to go dead last.

Rules are rules I get that but I really don't thin it was such inconvenience especially in AM

Not everyone gets up at noon on race day.

They do have to create grids and such and can't be revising them constantly, otherwise nobody would know their correct grid position and everything would be a clusterfuck.

[timmyho414]

Here's what Graham had to say about the fuel issue:

...1 NHMS goes though pump gas very quick in the tank - even faster then gas stations. So they likely don't have water sitting in the bottom or the ethanol is absorbing the water etc. so getting into your bike is highly unlikely...

NHMS is topping 100,000 gallons of fuel each month?

Impressive!

Graham said "goes though pump gas quickly in the tank" he never referenced gallons or the size of the the tank, just that they go through it quickly. My guess is they would have a much smaller tank then a gas station. Meaning they would go through the gas in that small tank quickly.

Your comment about the NHMS grounds vehicles using the same gas is good to know. Those vehicles are not being subjected to race conditions so the comparison is, at best, poor.

You keep coming back to everything but questions that should really asked...one of them being, has the fuel gone stale?


On the comment of NHMS selling more fuel than gas stations, I made a call to a friend who owns a few gas stations in NH. One of his 6 pump stations pumps about 130,000 gallons/ month. That station is open about 16 hrs a day, 7 days a week.

again, no one ever said the track sell MORE fuel, just that they go through their tank quicker. The track using these pumps to fill their vehicles would be relevant not a comparison. Its relevant because those additional vehicles would help to keep the fuel in the tank turning over and not go stale.

and if anyone cares that much ask the track how big their tank is for 93 than compare those numbers.

[tsorfas]

Not everyone gets up at noon on race day.

They do have to create grids and such and can't be revising them constantly, otherwise nobody would know their correct grid position and everything would be a clusterfuck.

Which was exactly the case with the last race weekend when they tried the new system and was a ton of miscommunication. You don't need to redo the entire grid shit to add someone in the last row of the last wave either.

[Imbeek]

"Outsider looking in" viewpoint:

LRRS is lucky as hell to have someone as smart and knowledgeable as Graham who is willing to deal with issues like this.

[csmutty]

Which was exactly the case with the last race weekend when they tried the new system and was a ton of miscommunication. You don't need to redo the entire grid shit to add someone in the last row of the last wave either.

There has to be one unprepared one in the couple...

Opposites attract!

[tsorfas]

There has to be one unprepared one in the couple...

Opposites attract!

FACT

[GixerJockey]

Im on it calling Jimmy right now......as i type

Lips are lips... Giddy up!

Just make sure you cop a feel off the right dude this time.

Richie... that will always be one of the single best moments of my life. I don't thing I've every laughed that hard.

On another note... I rode past him on my pit bike at round 7... He gave me a bit of a sideways look. Kinda like he didn't know who I was, but thought that he should...





On topic:

Buying gas at the track is just fine by me. Its convenient. I don't leave the track all weekend and it was a hastle to have to go get fuel on Saturday night. Also, there is every bit of a chance of getting tainted fuel from a commercial gas station. Shit happens.

[MarkMarine]

This is the type of response I'd expect from an 8 year old and is pretty much the general maturity level of a good number of the racers on this forum. Vindictive and petty.

And Mark, for a person who was crying 3 weeks ago and saying how you'd be ignoring me because I was stating the exact same thing 4 others were stating about a post of yours, predictably, you could not help yourself but to come back for more. Although it took longer than I estimated, you did it.




Colin - If you decide to cut your teeth at LRRS, great!! Let me know if I can help you in any way. Just think, act like and agree with them and you'll be fine!

I didn't need to come back for more, Josh already owned you in this thread, just adding in that I appreciated it and like that I don't have to hear this conspiracy theory crap at the riders and rules meeting. I'm sure the NHMS would not "push" or require us to use possibly tainted gas, it is in their best interest to drive repeat business rather than fuel sales. NHMS is a race track, not a gas station.

[soofle616]

NHMS is a race track, not a gas station.

Wait really? so you mean I don't have to drive 3 hours to fill my car up anymore? Dammit, all those wasted miles

Though that does explain all those people on motorsickles goin round an' round

[BMMCBR]

i heard graham goes around putting water in peoples gas tanks and blames in on their bikes in a vendetta against yamaha... shhh didnt hear it from me!

[Kurlon]

Ooooooh, I catch him doing that to my baby I'll give him such a pinch!

[butcher bergs]

NHMS is a race track, not a gas station.

You could not have made my point any better with that statement and it's all the more reason to ask the questions. The tanks are on private grounds which makes it private gas and not subject to the same regulations as public fuel stations. This means that it is not illegal for a pump to be "mislabeled", for example. There could be 87 in there for all anyone knows but no one wants to ask and when someone does, several of you take it personally.


As far as your comment about Josh "owning me", Mark? That's the pettiness I'm talking about but if that's what you need in order to gain some level of satisfaction, I'll just say "he sure did!"

...and yes, Mark, you absolutely needed to come back for more because you clearly don't have the discipline enough to stick to your word.

[csmutty]

Bergs. Shut the fuck up.

[MarkMarine]

You could not have made my point any better with that statement and it's all the more reason to ask the questions. The tanks are on private grounds which makes it private gas and not subject to the same regulations as public fuel stations. This means that it is not illegal for a pump to be "mislabeled", for example. There could be 87 in there for all anyone knows but no one wants to ask and when someone does, several of you take it personally.


As far as your comment about Josh "owning me", Mark? That's the pettiness I'm talking about but if that's what you need in order to gain some level of satisfaction, I'll just say "he sure did!"

...and yes, Mark, you absolutely needed to come back for more because you clearly don't have the discipline enough to stick to your word.

The point, which multiple people have (humorously) made is NHMS's primary product is the race track and filling it with racers on LRRS weekend. It's remarkably short sighted to think that NHMS would risk damage to their brand by mandating sub-standard fuel to make a few extra bucks. If they did blow up motors, how many people would risk damage to their machine to race there?

It's a ridiculous conspiracy theory, and frankly if any racers (the ones that actually show up and race) had a problem with it, they can bring their own gas from off track. It's not like the gas from the NHMS pumps is dyed red, and if the test is flawed enough not to catch bad gas then obviously they'll never catch street 93 vs track 93 right?

Two Supersport motors blowing in one weekend in the sample size of what, 200 bikes, every weekend, with no other reports? Now, if they tore the bikes down and both had holes in the pistons, and it happened to a lot more bikes, then you'd have something to ask about.

[Kurlon]

You could not have made my point any better with that statement and it's all the more reason to ask the questions. The tanks are on private grounds which makes it private gas and not subject to the same regulations as public fuel stations. This means that it is not illegal for a pump to be "mislabeled", for example. There could be 87 in there for all anyone knows but no one wants to ask and when someone does, several of you take it personally.

So... the tanks and pumps at The Milk Room (In glorious Waterboro ME), are on private property. Are they not subject to the same regulations either? Last I checked the Irving pumps aren't on public property. If they were, I'd demand either A) Lower prices or B) More in tax revenue from them if we're going to own the land they're on...

It's kinda an amusing idea though, all places that sell gas must now be either State or National Parks, depending on if they sell Diesel too or not. Be sure to book your visit at least one month in advance to make sure a pump is available! While the Gas Park Service does not charge a fee for entry, donations to help maintain the scenic vistas formed by the glorious pump islands are greatly appreciated. New for this year, you can donate to the Pump Fund on your tax return for a deduction. Money raised by the fund will be used to ensure all pumps have fresh decal wraps showing off the latest USPS stamp designs!

[MarkMarine]

So... the tanks and pumps at The Milk Room (In glorious Waterboro ME), are on private property. Are they not subject to the same regulations either? Last I checked the Irving pumps aren't on public property. If they were, I'd demand either A) Lower prices or B) More in tax revenue from them if we're going to own the land they're on...

It's kinda an amusing idea though, all places that sell gas must now be either State or National Parks, depending on if they sell Diesel too or not. Be sure to book your visit at least one month in advance to make sure a pump is available! While the Gas Park Service does not charge a fee for entry, donations to help maintain the scenic vistas formed by the glorious pump islands are greatly appreciated. New for this year, you can donate to the Pump Fund on your tax return for a deduction. Money raised by the fund will be used to ensure all pumps have fresh decal wraps showing off the latest USPS stamp designs!

Josh you're killing it. Hahahaha.

[daviid]

talk about taking what bergs said too literal. its clear he used the wrong terminology but his point was still easy to determine.

private fuel pumps (restricted use) vs public use fuel pumps (joe smoe can use)