Hey Racers, can you help me enter T11 better?

[a13x]

If I recall the 1:09's were in Qual. Racetimes were in the 1:10-1:11 range.

[Paul_E_D]

I'd love to follow you around on a practice session one day. Seems like I'm riding a little bike in big bike lines. That or a trackday. It's worth quite a bit of beer to me!

If you come to a trackday, I'd be glad to work with you. At the races, it's a little tough, as I've got my own program to run and practice time is short...

[KB]

1:09 what the fuck??????? That can't be right. 1 effin 0 9??? Holy christ Batman!!!

KB

[13]

Are there any videos of AMA racing up at Loudon on the web? That'd be something to see!

[TTD]

FWIW, I don't think in the video where Ken follows me, I ever get a clean run into Turn 11.

I don't go out to the very edge though. I stay about a foot away.

My goal with Turn 11 is to not give up too much speed... while still getting far enough LEFT to enter the Turn 12 chicane properly.

It's a balancing act.

If you don't care about Turn 12, you can really fly into Turn 11

This is a a legitimate racing move... fly through 11 and make a block pass before Turn 12... you both come onto the front straight like crap... but you're in front.

For Track Days (and for hot laps), this method won't work. So you have to give up a little entry speed in order to gain exit speed onto the front straight.

[Paul_E_D]

This is how tight you should be in 11...

[Tabby]

Ya think his mom was worried about how to get those pesky grass stains out?

[SVRACER01]

if you want a good setup for 12 then you have to late apex 11. the problem is most people dont late apex 11 so it gets a little slimy out there on the exit.

[TTD]

Notice that he doesn't have a curb to worry about, though?

Same with Turn 1A... I would hate to have my NON FOLDING peg hit the curb.

[mmracer37]

I don't recommend trying turn 11 like Ben is in that picture. I am positive you will be on your ass. The curb will reach up and grab hold of your engine cover or something. I can say that I do run my knee on the top of the curb though, just about in the grass.


As far as entering turn 11, I leave about 6" to a foot of pavement on the outside of the corner. That leaves me a little room if someone does stand me up going in.

Remember, you should not be making two left turns. The fast line is one big flowing corner.

[TTD]

Agreed on all parts!!!

[Paul_E_D]

I Agree Mike, Those are all points I was trying to make.

I have actually started dragging my knee in the grass near the end of the curbing, but I have huge clearance. The bump there has grown and I think the hot line for me is INSIDE it. There's only about 6" of smooth pavement to the curb, so I have to really get over the curb with my body.

Bostrom was running it exactly like Spies in that picture, but he's got plenty of skill to know where the curbing is a problem.

[Honclfibr]

Remember, you should not be making two left turns. The fast line is one big flowing corner.

No shit?

I like this thread. Can't wait for next weekend now!

[BMFR6]

the curbing on the inside of corners, 11, 1a, 9 (not so much 6) drives me crazy.

[TTD]

the curbing on the inside of corners, 11, 1a, 9 (not so much 6) drives me crazy.

9 shouldn't affect you too much.

When you pass it, you're not full lean and trying to keep tight... you actually go out a bit and then come back to the wall later on.

At least that's how I do it... I think.

[BMFR6]

yeah not so much the curbing in 9, more so the wall with that little bit of tire sticking out.

[Paul_E_D]

This thread is reminding me how far off the pace I am yet. Last year I would lean it into 11 until the curbing pushed the bike back up at me. And into 12 I would flick it right so hard that I would literally bounce off the curbing... Aah well, with some patience, I'll get back there.

[rebelpacket]

I mess that whole thing up pretty good, from the sounds of it. I do a straight shot into 11 and one downshift, but then I actually use a little front brake into 12 to help flip the bike over quick. Not good. Next trackday, your going to have your hands full trying to show me the right line.

[Ken C]

The trick to getting the bike flipped is to goose the throttle between the right and left sections of T12! Bwwwwaaap! Timing has to be good. Stay on the throttle to get your drive started onto the straight.

Also, blip the throttle (carefully) near the exit of 11 to help lift the bike for 12.

[s a x m a n]

Being on the throttle for the flips makes the bike feel so much better! Anytime I am not on the gas, the front feels like its pushing and just under too much load ... yes the bike is harder to turn under throttle, but it feels MUCH smoother when doing it that way.

[101expert]

The fastest LRRS racer on the track is Scotty Greenwood with a 1:11.2 and Jeff Wood has come within two tenths of that record a number of times.

[a13x]

The fastest LRRS racer on the track is Scotty Greenwood with a 1:11.2 and Jeff Wood has come within two tenths of that record a number of times.

Jeff ran a 11.6 this past weekend. Oogly moogly! Looks like he's getting the R6 dialed in.... he didn't break 12.1 or 12.2 last few seasons on the GSXR600's best I can recall.

That's just silly.