Motard Belly Pan

[JettaJayGLS]

Ugh, I completely forgot about hoisting the thing onto a stand. You could always go back to separate front and rear stands I suppose. The baking pan option could be made sturdy enough but you'd be looking at more than a safety wire mount job. I'm thinking modified skid/rock plate setup sounds better now. Wrap around the frame so the frame still supports the bike on the stand?

Those were my thoughts, as I found this on supermoto junkie. But, to Smuttys point, its really not going to do too well for containment purposes, especially if the case cracks in the front.

[Kurlon]

It may not be ideal, but that pan with a pad will keep more oil off the track than nothing at all, even if you ventilate the front of the cases by accident. On that 'berg I see no reason not to get some aluminum sheet or fiberglass and make a front damn over those frame members to direct oil down into the pan.

[JettaJayGLS]

On that 'berg I see no reason not to get some aluminum sheet or fiberglass and make a front damn over those frame members to direct oil down into the pan.

I think this may be my approach...

[Paul_E_D]

CEO, No one said it has to look good.

[xsiliconkid]

Do they state a minimum size or capacity?? Would a litespeed skid plate or another skid plate with no holes be considered adequate??

from the 2012 rule book
19.25 Fluid Catch Pans
19.25.1 All 4-stroke machines must be equipped with a fluid catch pan of sufficient size and heat-resistant material to contain the contents of the crankcases in the event of an engine or crankcase failure. Minimum capacity of the fluid catch pan is to be 3 quarts.
19.25.2 Enlargement and/or modification of an OEM fairing lower is permitted to attain the necessary fluid retention
19.25.3 Machines not equipped with a lower OEM fairing may install a fairing in order to comply with this rule.
19.25.4 A maximum of two holes, 1” or smaller in diameter, may be drilled in the fluid catch pan. These holes are to be plugged during dry conditions, and may be opened only when the event is declared “wet” by the Referee/Race Director.
19.25.5 All fluid catch pans must be mounted in a safe and workman-like manner. (Zip-ties and duct tape do not qualify as safe and workmanlike mounting.)
19.25.6 All production EX 500’s are exempt from the catch pan rule; final approval of machines compliance will rest with the Tech Inspector.

[xsiliconkid]

Those were my thoughts, as I found this on supermoto junkie. But, to Smuttys point, its really not going to do too well for containment purposes, especially if the case cracks in the front.

Yeah, the problem with Motards is when they go they tend to put a rod though the side...but as someone said it is better than no containment.
Also it needs to hold 3 quarts - while Motards tend to only hold 1 litre of oil all the coolant can go too! swirling with the oil.

BTW the rulebook can be downloaded from here, It has been out for a while due to all the rule changes for 2012.
http://www.nhms.com/documents/2012-lrrs_rulebook.pdf

[CBR929RE]

I'm probably going to buy that carbon jobbie I guess. I'll figure out a way to have one side of it be clipped instead of zip tied so I can release one side of when I come in and then use my normal stand. That is of course unless it's strong enough and hugs the contours of the bike enough that I can use the stand with it still installed.

Belly pan plus eject helmet system = two less races I will be able to buy. Thanks LRRS.

Ummm.... it IS in the rulebook now, that's why we're all trying to figure out what to do, dude.

or they allow you to race all year and in future years.

[xsiliconkid]

or they allow you to race all year and in future years.

i don't know what that means?....test patience of tech staff maybe?

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

i don't know what that means?....test patience of tech staff maybe?

I think he Means That Safety Measures will allow for safer Racing with less injuries.

[tls25rs]

How is tech going to look at the "Belly pan" for the motards if it is a requirement that the "Belly pan" be removed for tech inspection?

Just another question not trying to fuel the fire.

I'm guessing if I decide to race this year that I will have to figure something out for my Husky as well.

Also, the minimum capacity of 3 quarts is quite a bit excessive for a motard as mine inclusive of the trnasmission oil only has 1.6 quarts in it.

Joel

[CBR929RE]

I think he Means That Safety Measures will allow for safer Racing with less injuries.

nope. its simple, you don't have that stuff you don't race at all.

How is tech going to look at the "Belly pan" for the motards if it is a requirement that the "Belly pan" be removed for tech inspection?

Just another question not trying to fuel the fire.

I'm guessing if I decide to race this year that I will have to figure something out for my Husky as well.

Also, the minimum capacity of 3 quarts is quite a bit excessive for a motard as mine inclusive of the trnasmission oil only has 1.6 quarts in it.

Joel

you have to bring the belly pan with you to tech. its kind of annoying and a pain to try to bring the bike over and the belly pan. if you can easily see the oil drain and filter (or anything else that has to be wired) and the coolant reservoir with the pan still on they you don't have to take it off.

[xsiliconkid]

nope. its simple, you don't have that stuff you don't race at all.

you have to bring the belly pan with you to tech. its kind of annoying and a pain to try to bring the bike over and the belly pan. if you can easily see the oil drain and filter (or anything else that has to be wired) and the coolant reservoir with the pan still on they you don't have to take it off.

most full fairings have the belly pan as part of the lower fairing which needs to be removed for tech.....I would think a naked bike where you can see the filter/drain plug leaving the belly pan on would be Ok

[tls25rs]

nope. its simple, you don't have that stuff you don't race at all.

you have to bring the belly pan with you to tech. its kind of annoying and a pain to try to bring the bike over and the belly pan. if you can easily see the oil drain and filter (or anything else that has to be wired) and the coolant reservoir with the pan still on they you don't have to take it off.

Can't say I have ever seen any of the inline four bikes bring their lowers to tech with them.....................

I understand and agree with Graham's post that the catch pan on a motard would likely leave everything but the drain plug completely visible to the tech inspectors. Don't they want to ensure the drain plug is safety wired? That on top of the fact that motards are typically put onto their lower frame rails for stands, as mentioned previously, makes this an interesting dilemna for anyone riding a motard this season.

[brady]

Can't say I have ever seen any of the inline four bikes bring their lowers to tech with them...

I have, they started enforcing this late last season.

[CBR929RE]

most full fairings have the belly pan as part of the lower fairing which needs to be removed for tech.....I would think a naked bike where you can see the filter/drain plug leaving the belly pan on would be Ok

I don't know the guys name but I forgot to take mine off once last year and he asked if it was easy to see those items cause it would be ok if he could. I had to come back, no big deal. I took that to mean if he can check that stuff with the belly pan on then you won't get shit for not taking it off.

Can't say I have ever seen any of the inline four bikes bring their lowers to tech with them.....................

I understand and agree with Graham's post that the catch pan on a motard would likely leave everything but the drain plug completely visible to the tech inspectors. Don't they want to ensure the drain plug is safety wired? That on top of the fact that motards are typically put onto their lower frame rails for stands, as mentioned previously, makes this an interesting dilemna for anyone riding a motard this season.

at least the second half of last year everyone had to bring it. I was only a couple garages over so not a huge deal but coming from the other end of the infield or center garages would suck. most guys laid it across the tank over the windscreen or over the tail.

[tls25rs]

Good to know that they are inspecting the belly pans on the inlines as well and not just singling out the nakeds and motards just hadn't seen it or been aware of it myself. Thanks for the info.

[brady]

most guys laid it across the tank over the windscreen or over the tail.

it can make a decent hat if you wear it right

[Dannyf]

why would they exclude product ex500's but not motards?

[union]

why would they exclude product ex500's but not motards?

Probably because motards are much more likely to blow up.

[Pittenger5]

Wow. REALLY glad I didnt bother to renew my license now.

[csmutty]

why would they exclude product ex500's but not motards?

EX500's use a ZX9 bottom end which makes them completely bulletproof.

[lrrs428]

"19.25.3 Machines not equipped with a lower OEM fairing may install a fairing in order to comply with this rule."

Im just saying that "may" is not the same as "must"3


All production EX 500’s are exempt from the catch pan rule; final approval of machines compliance will rest with the Tech Inspector.

and why? I don't care if you use a 350 Chevy bottom end its still should apply

[Paul_E_D]

Guys, It's not that hard. Get a flatland racing skid plate and add a dam to the back side. Those things are pretty generously sized and should hold 3 liters with a slight modificatio, You can lift a bike with it, and they even have quick release systems.

[brady]

"19.25.3 Machines not equipped with a lower OEM fairing may install a fairing in order to comply with this rule."

Im just saying that "may" is not the same as "must"3

this rule allows a fairing with lower to be added to comply, instead of only a bellypan

[Kurlon]

why would they exclude product ex500's but not motards?

Because the EX Mafia has some sort of RDF like field where they assume it's ok to cut their exhaust for cornering clearance and there is no way they can fit a belly pan under their bikes... and despite the USCRA requiring pans on them for years LRRS believes them.

I'm hoping the current trend of making motards comply means the Mafia's days of running exposed undercarriages are numbered.