MotoGP Aragon 2013... SPOILER ALERT

[scottieducati]

I don't have anything against Dani, I like him out there, but this just popped up and I thought I would share.

http://www.bikeme.tv/index.php/dani-...gest-parasite/

Yeah, saw that article as well... YIKES.

The question re: sanctioning though, isn't really the same as if he was taken out by Marquez. Regardless of what the incident was, he was hit from behind and taken out of the race due to the damage suffered. His crash was a direct causation of a mistake made by Marquez. I do see that point.

That said, I am almost purely against any type of sanctioning for "racing incidents," I am however, all for them if there was a clear case towards the end of the year that if A rider doesn't finish then B rider gets the championship, and B rider intentionally takes out A rider so A rider scores no points (it's happened in the past), THEN I am for absolute maximum penalties.

NOW, considering I have no say of whether or not they decide to sanction things, they have. They have a points system, and penalties for various incidents. IMO, if Marquez wins after contact with another rider due to his err, that took the other rider out of the race (directly, or indirectly) then he should suffer some form of points or other sanction. Fair is fair, so long as you're within a rules structure that penalizes "rubbin's racing," which MotoGP currently does.

Now think of this situation, Marquez stripped of all points from Aragon, Jorge awarded winner's points and everyone gets bumped up, make Marquez start from the back of the grid next race...

WHO WOULDN'T BE GLUED TO THE SCREEN FOR THAT, AND THE REMAINING RACES THIS SEASON?

[gixxer72]

The parasite article was a little harsh. I think his riding ability speaks for itself regardless of his attitude, and he is good for motogp. Alberto Puig on the other hand is a first class cunt. Fuck that guy.

[Kurlon]

I don't know as you can sanction Marquez on this one, it appears that there was no tire to bike contact, just to the wire. Marquez came in hot, corrected and successfully avoided direct contact, I say no issue. The fact that HRC has a delicate, critical wire flopping in the breeze in a potential contact area (how many of us have had to remove scuff marks off our swingarms?) to me is a safety/tech failure on the TEAM's part, not the rider. This is no different than routing your brake line so it extends out beside the bike past the fairings. This is the top tier of racing, the riders are going to get close to each other, this is why there are brake lever guards, etc, as a little contact is anticipated. If we tell all riders that they now have to honor some invisible, indeterminate bubble around the others it's going to turn every pass into a protest.

[CBR929RE]

Bautista and Bradl passed each other SUPER close a bunch of times in the last lap. I thought they were going to take each other out. I don't think they ever touched.

I think Marquez shouldn't be penalized but I'd be ok if they gave him 1 penalty point. He's shown he can ride slightly too aggressively the last couple years and needs to tame it down just a touch. I think its young over-exuberance and he just needs to learn that he's typically faster than the guy in front of him so he's just gotta have a little more patience and wait for the opportunity to pass the guy cause its gonna happen eventually.

[JohnnyV]

WOW hahaha

Gifted the best bike on the track when he entered the big league in 2006, he’s spent the last eight seasons looking like a spoilt little bitch. When he wins, he’s arrogant and aloof. When he loses, he’s a whinging fucking sook. He has the personality of an ingrown toenail and has contributed nothing in terms of character or colour to the championship.

[Pittenger5]

Hey let's throw out some competition yellows too to make the races more exciting.

[JettaJayGLS]

http://superbikeplanet.com/2013/Oct/131002cl.htm

"I was behind, but even if I saw it, I think Marquez should be penalized for two or three seasons, so it would be easier," Rossi said, with a laugh.

I'm sorry if I'm just another nut swinger, but how can you not like Rossi?

[Karate.Snoopy]

Rossi is bloody awesome

[7470racer]

I am impressed by the coverage from Fox Sports. Nice effort in educatiing new comers in the beginning of the show and the feeds seem better than ever too. Awesome slow motion coverage from multiple angles...

Great last couple laps...love the final 3 on the Podium!

Good stuff...!

Anyone getting this on Fox coverage in HD? I have Verizon and could only find on regular channel.

[ctbandit]

did you watch the last lap? Bautista and Bradl must have passed each other 3 times each in just a few corners

A lap or two where and twelve plus laps nothing happens isn't that exciting. Just saying it wasn't one of the better races this year

[JettaJayGLS]

http://www.motogp.com/en/news/2013/m...ring+in+Sepang

Marquez is a friggen stud.

[DucDave]

Looking forward to an article from Kevin Cameron about this. More 'necessity is the mother of invention' stuff. I remember years ago when Rossi's team was asking why he was braking midway through the long straight. Turns out there was enough pressure from the air at ~200mph to move the lever...the drilled a hole in it...problem solved. And now, most racers have a 'brake lever guard' to prevent an incident like the one that occured when the front brake lever of Sete Gibernau’s factory Ducati jammed on Capirossi’s bike at Catalunya in 2006. Betting all the teams are checking their sensor locations...!

[Karate.Snoopy]

marquez-docked-point-for-aragon-collision

[Pittenger5]

Such bullshit. MotoGP was boring for a long time, we finally have someone exciting to watch, and they're trying to make it boring again.

[Kurlon]

They don't even say it was a collision, it was his arm grazing the wire. WTF. I do agree with Honda loosing points as it is a bad/unsafe design.

[CBR929RE]

They don't even say it was a collision, it was his arm grazing the wire. WTF. I do agree with Honda loosing points as it is a bad/unsafe design.

I disagree with them losing points. it made it through how many previous races and through tech inspection. not sure how the constructor points are awarded but they didn't get any from Pedrosa not finishing so I think that's enough of a penalty.


and here's the fix

[Karate.Snoopy]

Malayasia pre-event conference was interesting. Lorenzo was definitely taking it to Marc with his "Bonus points for Marc for riding with flair"(paraphrasing)
Marc looked uncomfortable but I think this would only fuel his fire.

[Kurlon]

I disagree with them losing points. it made it through how many previous races and through tech inspection. not sure how the constructor points are awarded but they didn't get any from Pedrosa not finishing so I think that's enough of a penalty.

and here's the fix

The logic behind taking points away for bad design was based on the idea that if the bike is built that the TC HAS to be functioning for the bike to be ridable, HRC should either have redundancies in place (other teams use dual sensors per wheel for example) or have a failover mode that will still be safe even if it's slower in the event of a sensor failure. It wasn't just the wire hanging out unprotected, it was the fact that that one wire could turn the bike into a human catapult with no warning, logic I agree with.

[JettaJayGLS]

As much as this is a crock of shit, it's kinda like the powers that be in MotoGP covered their ass as no harm was really done.

Marquez does not need to start from the back of the grid. If they awarded him 2 penalty points this would have been an outrage, but with only 1 it isn't a big deal. If in the remainder of the season Marquez racks up 1 more point then this will all be brought back up, but lets just hope that doesn't happen.

Honda may have lost points, but honestly, does anyone care about that? Maybe Honda does, but anyone that loosely follows MotoGP knows that the Honda is the superior machine. We don't need to look at the mfg points to realize that. But how would Honda argue this anyway? If they argue against this ruling then that means they are siding with Marquez and agreeing with the masses that Pedrosa is being a whiny bitch.

[JettaJayGLS]

http://superbikeplanet.com/getVote.jsp?pn=mm931010

Answers 3 and 4, hysterical. I love the guys over at the soup.

[CBR929RE]

The logic behind taking points away for bad design was based on the idea that if the bike is built that the TC HAS to be functioning for the bike to be ridable, HRC should either have redundancies in place (other teams use dual sensors per wheel for example) or have a failover mode that will still be safe even if it's slower in the event of a sensor failure. It wasn't just the wire hanging out unprotected, it was the fact that that one wire could turn the bike into a human catapult with no warning, logic I agree with.

I agree that they should have a redundancy but don't agree with the penalty. I think it should have been more like Dorna saying "WTF, fix that shit"
and the cover they put on still doesn't address that fault.

[Kurlon]

This also wasn't the first time they were warned by Dorna about the issue, if that matters.

[CBR929RE]

This also wasn't the first time they were warned by Dorna about the issue, if that matters.

never heard that before. if that's true it changes my opinion on their penalty.