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Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    Go ahead and sell all your other bikes now.
    GSXR1000, VFR400 (street) and an RD400 we're putting together right now are all going to make room for this....

    Once all of these finally sell I may even add a trials bike. That shit looks dope! I may or may not have already found a used Beta Trials bike too...

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Hells yeah! 'Grats!



    I wanna ride it.
    No! I don't.
    Yes. I do. Really, I do.
    No. Nevermind. Can't afford to want.
    Yes. Must try.
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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Ahh yes, the emotional cycle that I went thru knowing full well the pragmatic thing to do was to get a KDX or KTM200.... welp, so much for that.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    I have the same feelings inside. The right thing to do vs the want.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Somethings you just don't do that often; might as well do it right.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    yesssss. welcome to the Fambly

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Schwiiiing!

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    After seeing my buddy post countless pics and videos of Beta's in Finland, along with all the raves, I think...gasp..I may be starting to fall on the red kool-aid bandwagon. Once things settle down with the house in the next couple months, I may look into the XTrainer

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    After seeing my buddy post countless pics and videos of Beta's in Finland, along with all the raves, I think...gasp..I may be starting to fall on the red kool-aid bandwagon. Once things settle down with the house in the next couple months, I may look into the XTrainer

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Dibs.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Dibs.
    On what? His quad? Might be wrong but thought he had sold off his dirt bike toy.

    Or, are you saying after he buys the Beta and then decides to sell it later that you have dibs? That makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    Or, are you saying after he buys the Beta and then decides to sell it later that you have dibs? That makes sense.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    It was just brought to my attention that this machine has no kickstart; it is e-start only. This was mentioned in a C&P review earlier in this thread but I did not notice.

    This trend perfluxes me. A kicker kit is available and would be one of the first things I'd install.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    No kicker on my new bike. I was a bit "perfluxed" 'as you say, but haven't needed it, and no longer want it as a backup. It's one of those "who moved the cheese" things. Change is coming.

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    Sometimes I'm not good with change. Hell, I talk myself out of buying a kicker kit for my DRZ once a week!
    In my view the cost of owning this motorcycle just went up $400. (The cost of the kicker kit.)

    Edit: Another FYI to any future owners. Apparently there was a bulletin as some of these kicker kits shipped with the wrong idler gear. Can cause the clutch pack to bind with the idler and overall sad panda condition. (Source)

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    after owning my bike for a few years, i've probably used the kicker maybe three times... once to see how it felt kicking it over when brand new, twice because Tim+Biggles called me a pussy for having a magic button and thrice because... once again, i probably had to prove i still knew how to do it.

    Beta starters are strong and consistent, mine hasn't flinched, even with a crap battery that was never put on a tender.

    i wouldn't sweat the no kick start, put the $400 towards suspension work instead.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Back in the day of carbed bikes, I certainly wouldn't want electric start with no kick back up, but with efi, you can pretty much toss the thing off a cliff, upside down, and drop it in water, and it will still start. Worst case, you can always bump start it

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    Back in the day of carbed bikes, I certainly wouldn't want electric start with no kick back up, but with efi, you can pretty much toss the thing off a cliff, upside down, and drop it in water, and it will still start. Worst case, you can always bump start it
    Truer words never spoken! 2 strokes never had that same reluctance to restart though, so on a carbed 2 stroke I would throw the kicker off the cliff.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Just make sure you can lock up your Rekluse clutch in the woods if you have e-start problems.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by R7 View Post
    Back in the day of carbed bikes, I certainly wouldn't want electric start with no kick back up, but with efi, you can pretty much toss the thing off a cliff, upside down, and drop it in water, and it will still start. Worst case, you can always bump start it
    This reads totally backwards to me. EFI requires a pressurized fuel system. Carbs gravity feed. Carb'ed bikes can go batteryless. EFI can't. With a carb'ed bike you can waste the battery away to oblivion (or nearly so) mashing the magic button and then still save your day with a kick (or hundred). With EFI if you lose all juice you are done. Even a bump is unlikely to save your day.

    The only inverse argument I see is that it is harder to flood an EFI bike. No (or nearly no) concern of having an empty float bowl after a tipover.. etc. Therefore the chances of it not re-lighting are way lower with EFI than with carbs.

    But still.

    The kicker is there as a backup for when the operator does something stupid, like neglect the charging circuit or leave the lights on or something.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    This reads totally backwards to me. EFI requires a pressurized fuel system. Carbs gravity feed. Carb'ed bikes can go batteryless. EFI can't. With a carb'ed bike you can waste the battery away to oblivion (or nearly so) mashing the magic button and then still save your day with a kick (or hundred). With EFI if you lose all juice you are done. Even a bump is unlikely to save your day.
    Not true. Modern MX bikes are EFI and, with the exception of the KTM, do not have a battery. And the KTM battery is only there for the starter. I had a 350 SX-F and bump started it plenty of times (came stock with a fairly weak battery, and the machine was cold blooded; plus I rode a lot in near freezing temps).

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    Are they not pressurized fuel systems? Do they not have fuel pumps?

    Google says the 350's have a fuel pump. Pumps don't work well without power. Battery is there for more than just the starter; you need to drive that pump.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    CRF 450:

    The fuel injection system is powered by a new battery-free AC generator, and uses gear position, throttle position, coolant temperature, intake air pressure and temperature sensors to decide how much fuel to use in a given circumstance. Racers will appreciate the US$350 HRC settings kit, which allows simple, quick and precise reprogramming of the injection to set the bike up for optimal performance on particular tracks.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Are they not pressurized fuel systems? Do they not have fuel pumps?

    Google says the 350's have a fuel pump. Pumps don't work well without power. Battery is there for more than just the starter; you need to drive that pump.
    They have a capacitor set up. I could be mistaken on the KTM battery not running the fuel pump, but I have bump started it many times. Non-electric start bikes use the first movement of the motor to energize the EFI system. I've had several of them apart, there is definitely no battery in them.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Alright. Never would have thought that little coil movement would be enough to pressurize a fuel system. I've seen EFI street bikes stranded with a battery too far gone to even bump it. That's pretty cool.

    Would still feel better with that kick lever.

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