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Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    +1 on the pipe thing. I've had a hard time keeping mine from leaking from the exhaust port. First love tap on a rock and the whole pipe seems to rotate around the frame and not seat in the port right. Only solution I've found so far is liberal use of sealant.

    The pipe on this x-trainer looks harder to mame to my eye.



    Compare to my two hunny.



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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    The xtrainer pipe looks like the best compromise of performance to protection to my eye.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Honest question knowing nothing about dirt bikes.... wouldn't some kind of bash plate to protect those expansion chambers be a thing?

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul_E_D View Post
    The xtrainer pipe looks like the best compromise of performance to protection to my eye.
    I would rip that beta. I like it a lot. With springs, valves and a big fuel cell they may have built the ultimate woods weapon.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Honest question knowing nothing about dirt bikes.... wouldn't some kind of bash plate to protect those expansion chambers be a thing?
    Sort of, but it creates other "issues". The stiff carbon fiber ones spread the load and will tweak the whole exhaust, and mounts. Or transfer that energy directly to the head and crack the flange (ask me how I know). The aluminum segmented ones don't really do much at all. The monster Hyde racing skid plate/exhaust shield will trap and carry a LOT of mud (weight).
    The free ride/beta have the expansion chambers tucked up and sort of out of the way. It's appealing on multiple levels.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Honest question knowing nothing about dirt bikes.... wouldn't some kind of bash plate to protect those expansion chambers be a thing?
    With a big expansion chamber dangling down, a bash plate can prevent dents to the chamber, but transfer a lot of force to the point where the pipe meets the head, causing bigger damage. I think a lot of (higher level) racers just consider pipes a consumable and run without protection. The idea of getting the pipe up to a position where less force will get transfered toward the head flange is generally the best protection you can get.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    The plate protects from impacts from underneath to a large degree. But notsomuch from the side. Most experienced riders who don't drop the bike as much as I do.
    It is stunning how wide the pipe is on the machine. Looking down the axis of the bike from the front you cannot see the right side peg as it is completely hidden behind the pipe.

    The answer is either guards.. which would need to be huge (and heavy).
    Or redesign the pipe.. which likely sacrifices performance (power).

    To Paul's point, the Freeride likely gives up a lot of power for that pipe design. I also question how effective that (already small) expansion chamber is piped that far from the head!
    From afar, the Beta looks like a nice compromise.

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    Pipes are repairable too.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by Yknot View Post
    Besides all my gear is orange...so I have effectively talked myself out of it. Carry on.
    Spoken like a true Kool-Aid drinker. I remember when Bill didn't own one piece of orange gear.

    All of this coming from a guy, me, that lusts after an orange bike but just can't seem to pull the trigger on the amount of money it would take to get the bike he wants

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by scottieducati View Post
    Honest question knowing nothing about dirt bikes.... wouldn't some kind of bash plate to protect those expansion chambers be a thing?
    you could always you the Force biggest protector monstrosity thingie on the market i think, skid + pipe guard in one



    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DjlWUga30xU/maxresdefault.jpg

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    That Beetah really is a slick piece. Its light and low while keeping it's belly high..

    If I was shopping for a new woods weapon it would be the cross trainer or the 300RR both seem to be great machines.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by Rada View Post
    That Beetah really is a slick piece. Its light and low while keeping it's belly high..

    If I was shopping for a new woods weapon it would be the cross trainer or the 300RR both seem to be great machines.
    new review vid on the 300RR if you're interested... article here


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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    For some reason I just can't get on board with MotoUSA's videos. They scream of being made by '90's era infomercial type peeps with the crappy panning shots and background music. Why can't our domestic rags seem to get in front of the trends in publishing... both print and video.

    Still makes me want one even moar tho.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by typeone View Post
    you could always you the Force biggest protector monstrosity thingie on the market i think, skid + pipe guard in one



    https://i.ytimg.com/vi/DjlWUga30xU/maxresdefault.jpg
    That's even uglier that the Hyde!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    All of this coming from a guy, me, that lusts after an orange bike but just can't seem to pull the trigger on the amount of money it would take to get the bike he wants
    Just frickin' doeit!
    Or at least a 450 EXC. Rada's is nice, damned nice. And I've seen them in nice condition 2nd hand for less than 50% what a new 500 runs.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by nhbubba View Post
    Just frickin' doeit!
    Or at least a 450 EXC. Rada's is nice, damned nice. And I've seen them in nice condition 2nd hand for less than 50% what a new 500 runs.
    Mine was less than half of a 500 and in pretty decent shape.


    I really need to quit watching shit about the 300RR...

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by typeone View Post
    that's awesome! wish him the best of luck!

    on the dealer size thing... i think it's just happening this way due to Betas size, they're not very big, obviously, although they've been around for a long time (1948 for moto). seems they want to continue to grow sensibly rather than promise the world and end up on the short end of the stick. they've been gaining steam from around '09 on once they started making their own motors and focusing more dev cycles on the enduro models. the trials side has way more history than that. think those dealers were always pretty small as well though.

    anxious to hear how he likes the Beeta compared the Kay'dem. i doubt durability will be an issue, the motors and components seem super stout. 180hr top ends still looking like new upon inspection from racers.

    is he keeping the oil injection system in place? the 300 'Race' model may already have it removed, i can't remember.
    I'm not sure what he is changing, he's like you, likes to fiddle with everything, so I wouldn't be surprised if he mixes the oil himself.
    He's been going to Romania for the past couple years to what he called a Beta Camp training, where you spend a week there and ride Beta trials bikes, Enduro bikes and even SuperMoto.

    Here's a link to his website if you feel like translating..or can read Finnish.
    Tyovalot.fi Racing Team yhteistyöhön Beta Finlandin kanssa | OFFROADPr

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    damn, that's very cool, thanks for the link! ... Google will translate for me

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by tls25rs View Post
    Spoken like a true Kool-Aid drinker. I remember when Bill didn't own one piece of orange gear.

    All of this coming from a guy, me, that lusts after an orange bike but just can't seem to pull the trigger on the amount of money it would take to get the bike he wants

    Now I look like another of the orange clad Klim crew...and the kool-aid is good, real good!

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    Joel is just waiting until he is good and thirsty before he has a sip....

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    I swung into Gillette for the J-day expo right at the end of the day yesterday. Basically just to see the Beta's up close and personal since I heard motoworx would be there. Glad I went. Got to sit on the X-trainer, poke and prod it a bit. Really cool bikes. Spent a good long while talking to Brian Dussault. Seems like a really good dude. Motoworx has a demo day setup for April 9th out at their place in Hatfield. Im really going to try and make it out there for that. I may be in trouble....Im now dreaming of swapping out my KTM for a new BETA!

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    Quote Originally Posted by TripleTaco View Post
    I may be in trouble....Im now dreaming of swapping out my KTM for a new BETA!
    I approve this message

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    I say do it!

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    I'm a little bummed he's gonna blow up my spot. But I might have to spectate.

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    Re: Beta Xtrainer - Entry level 300cc 2T Enduro

    it was interesting to hear him say that was a potential spot, wonder if that's now the plan for the 9th? does he have connections/permission?

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