should i buy an old cbr f2 as a track bike?

[Degsy]

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Tons of great advice here about racing a 600 from lots of people who have never raced a 600!!lol

F4 is passable. Good enough to race novice. I have seen them do 13s. F2? No way. Don't even bother (in my opinion). They don't even have cartridge forks. Ok for trackdays but forget an F2 for racing.

Very true.

Please disregard all my comments about not getting an F2 to race and that an F4 would be barely passable to race.

Also ignore what I said about steering you towards LWSB or ULSB and getting a twin.

Wasn't meant as a dig. Just saying the mw class gets a bad rap sometimes.

[butcher bergs]

Bergs seems to do well on his F4, and everything I've read said the F4 is a step down from the F3 handling wise, too stiff in all the wrong ways.

I have a decent collection of wood going but I also have an F4i.

Tons of great advice here about racing a 600 from lots of people who have never raced a 600!!lol

Amen to that!


Doc, quit talking shit. You have no reference of what you speak.

[Doc]

My reference comes from racing a twin in ULSB. Both a Hawk and a Ducati.

MWSB is an unforgiving class for a new racer. Starting in Production twins or ULSB or LWSB seems to be a little smarter/cheaper.

[butcher bergs]

My reference comes from racing a twin in ULSB. Both a Hawk and a Ducati.

MWSB is an unforgiving class for a new racer. Starting in Production twins or ULSB or LWSB seems to be a little smarter/cheaper.

You forgot one small part.....everything you have typed here is in your opinion. There is no fact to back up anything you have stated in this thread regarding the MW class. You keyboard jockey this perpetual notion which is in reference to a particular racing class, likely done as tongue-in-cheek by others but seemingly is gospel to you.

Doc, the goal is the same no matter which class of bike one races. That goal is to stay in front of the guy who's trying to get in front of you and when you're done putting everyone behind you, you ride your damndest to keep it that way till the checkered flies......


....or maybe you're just out there to turn laps and smell the daisies, I don't know.

[Doc]

My goals differ from yours.

[butcher bergs]

And what are your goals exactly, Mike? Turning laps in one class while you post BS about other racing classes you've never been in?

Hey, at least you're open about it.

[Doc]

...and the thread is about buying an F2 for a trackbike.

The OP expressed an interest in possibly racing said F2, I am advising against that and I am advising that he might want to get a twin and race in a class other than MWSB (since he owns a twin).

Fact is that racing in ULSB is cheaper.

I also advised him to try Production Twins. I haven't raced that class either.

This "keyboard Jockey" will discuss this with the OP at Bike Night (since I was the one that refered him to the forum)

[darkduc7]

this thread took a real turn. and im still track-bike-less. ive thought about it long enough im starting to talk myself out of spending the cash on one.

[Doc]

this thread took a real turn. and im still track-bike-less. ive thought about it long enough im starting to talk myself out of spending the cash on one.

You will find alot of these threads go off topic.

Take the 749 to that track, if you like it THEN get a trackbike.

Hell, I will even let you borrow the Hawk or the ZX6R.

[darkduc7]

i know ill like it, and the way im rationalizing a track bike is if i crash the 749 it'll cost just as much or more than these bikes to fix it.

[butcher bergs]

All I'm saying is post facts as you know them.

These are not examples of facts, rather they are opinions.

You won't race the F2 or the F4 and be competative in MWSB

You know this from experience or is this your opinion?

A 600 MWSB is a money pit. (Not to mention the "meat grinder" class)

Again, have you personally footed the bill for a season racing a MW?

...and always so quick to bring up the meat grinder nonsense.

No an F2 or an F4 would NOT be competative as a Novice or an Amatuer (well MAYBE the F4 would be but not for long).

You know this from experience or is this your opinion?

[Hardcore]

if u r just using this bike for trackdays + to learn the track, then the track prepped f2 with a spare motor etc. 4 $1500. is a fuckin no brainer !!!!! these are great track bikes 2 learn on + most importantly, they really don't have the instant power like a newer 600 to spin up the rear tire exitting turns causing a painful hi-side. Sooo--fuck what anyone else says + buy it + have fun !!!!

[darkduc7]

if u r just using this bike for trackdays + to learn the track, then the track prepped f2 with a spare motor etc. 4 $1500. is a fuckin no brainer !!!!! these are great track bikes 2 learn on + most importantly, they really don't have the instant power like a newer 600 to spin up the rear tire exitting turns causing a painful hi-side. Sooo--fuck what anyone else says + buy it + have fun !!!!

i with you. but ive thought about it so much now im thinking weather to do it at all. i mean, will i even get enough use out of it. dunno. maybe ill just take the risk and run my 749. damnit i always do this, so indecisive, if i have enough time to think things over, i back out.

[Doc]

All I'm saying is post facts as you know them.

These are not examples of facts, rather they are opinions.


You know this from experience or is this your opinion?

Again, have you personally footed the bill for a season racing a MW?

...and always so quick to bring up the meat grinder nonsense.


You know this from experience or is this your opinion?

Well let's see... Looking at results I see no F2 running in MWSB.

Being at the track the last 3 seasons I noticed more red flags during MWSB. Everyone I know who does race a MWSB goes through more tires in a weekend than I do in Half a season... That alone makes it more expensive.

The facts are there, just because I have yet to run a season in MWSB does not mean they are not.

[Doc]

i with you. but ive thought about it so much now im thinking weather to do it at all. i mean, will i even get enough use out of it. dunno. maybe ill just take the risk and run my 749. damnit i always do this, so indecisive, if i have enough time to think things over, i back out.

Everyone worries about binning their streetbike. You really shouldn't.

[darkduc7]

yeah. im going to be gone a lot this summer too for work, so who knows how much ill use the track bike. next year might be a better year to buy. fuck, now look at me, going the other direction now.

[Hardcore]

buy it

[Hardcore]

i with you. but ive thought about it so much now im thinking weather to do it at all. i mean, will i even get enough use out of it. dunno. maybe ill just take the risk and run my 749. damnit i always do this, so indecisive, if i have enough time to think things over, i back out.

what didn't u understand -- BUY IT + HAVE FUN-- one slight crash on your 749 will cost over 1500 to fix it! plus u will b worrying about dropping the bike in each turn + will be unable 2 push the bike as far as u can. crashing the f2 will most likely be causmetic damage + who cares about that--stickers cover that easily + the f2 will be just as fun 2 ride next year 2 !!!

[darkduc7]

u bastard!!! ahh. god im not sure what to do. i know what i want. but im trying to save money.

[butcher bergs]

Well let's see... Looking at results I see no F2 running in MWSB.

Being to at the track the last 3 season I notice more red flags during MWSB. Everyone I know who does race a MWSB goes through more tires in a weekend than I do in Half a season... That alone makes it more expensive.

The facts are there, just because I have yet to run a season in MWSB does not mean they are not.

I'll give you the F2 but now you have nothing to say about the F4?

You ever think that there are more red flags in MW races because there are more races that MW bikes are able to enter compared to other classes of bikes?

MW races are just as unforgiving as any other race class, period. The only difference is, not every new racer has the patience to harness the art of handling a MW because 1st place becomes too important.

As far as cost, in the beginning of riding a MW no one is quick enough to warrant repeated tire changes in a single weekend. Everyone gargaed around you, Doc, is an EX or AM racer.....or did you forget to mention that in your posts?

The facts are indeed there and you should try to avoid twisting them. To say that going to a Hawk first is "smarter" holds no water because I know numerous people (myself included) who started on a MW and don't regret it one bit.

I jumped in here because other people besides OP are going to read this at some point down the road. They should be afforded the facts as well regardless of who was invited here by whom.

[Hardcore]

u bastard!!! ahh. god im not sure what to do. i know what i want. but im trying to save money.

U will be saving money buying the f2 instead of repairing a crashed 749 just once!!! JUST DO IT !!!! "pussies can't be heroes"


+ DOC + BERGS---take yur ridiculus fight elsewhere + leave this guys post alone

[Doc]

U will be saving money buying the f2 instead of repairing a crashed 749 just once!!! JUST DO IT !!!! "pussies can't be heroes"


+ DOC + BERGS---take yur ridiculus fight elsewhere + leave this guys post alone

Nice to see you coming out of hibernation Chad. Now where are all the swear words you fucking fuck!


Bergs and I joust on occasion. I still love him.

[6 Fingered Man]

I know the F2 you are talking about, I emailed with the dude, HE will take $1300 cash for it he told me. Hope that helps.

Bike looks nice as all hell in the CL add but he said it has been sitting. I would have bought it in a second if i have the extra $$. I recommended that DDK buy it. Funny cause it is the one he referenced in the beginning of this thread.

It also has a Leo Vince, and a bunch of other goodies. And yes, it does have a full race setup ion the f2 front end.

Good deal i would say Buy it, sell the spare motor and your in it for a grand.

[SVRACER01]

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I almost bought a SICK F2 recently, and passed since my use would be racing and I don't think that much older of a bike could be competitive. For a TD bike, DO IT!!!! For racing, I was held off by "will it hold up with the newer bikes, even with a built engine?" Your call, and I'm just a stupid novice, but that's my .005

Where was this sick f2 that you speak of?

btw those f2s are thunderbike legal and you can go as far as putting on a f4 swingarm and suspension. f3 forks bolt right up as do the carbs

[SVRACER01]

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All the advice here is from racers coming from a racing standpoint. the guy is doing TRACKDAYS, he just wants a cheap reliable bike to have fun on without too much concern of crashing it.
the bottom line is ive owned an f2 and f3 and they are fantastic bikes, well mannered, forgiving, good handling and for $1500 IF you decide to move into racing you can probably sell it for close to that.
buy it, put doc on your ignore list unless you want to know about hawks because according to doc the only bikes that exisist on this planet are ducs and hawks.
if you like it buy it, the main goal is to take it to the track and have fun at a TRACKDAY....NOT RACEDAY.
is a F2-4 gonna win you a championship if you do decide to race? not unless you strap it to your delorean... will it bring you endless fun at a trackday? absolutely