This cop doesn't seem too happy with this motorcyclist

[MysteriousR1]

Twice, headshots to.

[spicy]

+a bunch to what's been said already.

it's a strong show of force, but it doesn't seem all that unprovoked. he wasn't pointing it at the guy or yelling "what the fuck are you doing i'm gonna kill you."

it damned well better be natural reaction for you to start backpedaling when someone comes up like that, otherwise you aren't thinking enough when you're riding.

that being said, i think that that example is pretty much as good as it gets for resolving something before anything has a chance of happening. short of that, i think the only way for it to be solved a little less zOMG WHY DID HE PULL A GUN would be for the marked LEO to have blocked his front and the off-duty officer to block the rear.

the gun came out and it wasn't that long before he said "stop state police." without the badge, i can understand a moment's HOLY FUCK I'M GETTING JACKED, but a quick glance in the mirror and there's obvious a police interceptor parked behind you... also the dude's demeanor was clearly no-nonsense statie SOP.

[BigShel]

If you take a real good look, you can clearly see his gold badge right next to his holster, he clearly ID's himself verbally and always remember criminals dont wear holsters and jump out in front of a marked crusier with gun out. what state did this take place in?

[Doc]

The Badge would be enough ,the gun as a last option

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQHXiFKMxk

That "bikerlicious" dude is an idiot.

So lets see the rest of the video.

[obsolete]

I think the guy knew the uniformed cop was there cause he pulled over for it.

I think some people don't get what cops use guns for. They are used for putting supersonic pieces of metal in to a persons chest inorder to stop an action that will cause great harm to another person.

With that being said we have no clue what happened before the video. But what I do see is a cop that is apparently in a situation that he saw as potentially dangerous, he unholstered his side arm and kept it in a safe direction but ready in case the situation escalated, when the situation proved safe he holstered it.

WTF is the problem.

[BSR6]

I agree with most of whats been said. We aren't seeing the whole story and that is a problem but in the end I still can't see where its necessary to pull his gun. Its just adds even more drama and raises the stakes. If the biker decided to run there are many things the off duty cop can do to protect himself like get out of the way (or not get involved at all since he is off duty). In my opinion all the off duty cop did was add drama to a situation that seemed to be already under control. The bike was pulled over, the cruiser was behind him. If the biker ran then they already should have his plates and thats all they need. But then again there may be more to the story.

[OreoGaborio]

The bike was still running and rider was backing up for an unknown reason & therefore doing something unpredictable.

The cop drew his weapon so that he'd be ready to defend himself, did NOT point it at the rider and put it back in the holster after mere seconds of removing it once the rider stopped moving.

I don't see why this is such a big friggin deal.

[BigShel]

Most people respect the Badge but everyone respects the gun. Example. I have seen cops jump out the car with his badge in his hand yelling stop and no one paid any attention to him but the one time the cop jumps out and the gun comes out evryone will give him their full undivided attention.

[obsolete]

It's not about attention, it's about this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEpUtoUzE4U

[MysteriousR1]

I think the main point here is he is a off duty officer. Let the uniform officer handle the situation, expecially considering one seemed to be on the scene already.

[OreoGaborio]

A cop is always a cop. On duty or not.

[MysteriousR1]

I do understand that, but a un-uniformed officer should not be drawing his weapon for speeding, or stoping vehicles IMO. I just think the situation was handled a little poorly.

[OreoGaborio]

When are you going to understand that he didn't draw his weapon for speeding?

If the bike had been OFF and the rider not moving, that weapon would have been unholstered.

Step 1 - stop bike
Step 2 - TURN OFF BIKE immediately.

Never the less, seriously, what's the big fuckin deal?

I've been cuffed in my own apartment before because someone saw me crawl through a window & called the cops... Two cops knocked on my door while I was watching TV & eating a bowl of cereal, asked me to step outside, put me against the wall & handcuffed me. Am I bent out of shape & crying about it? No. Could it have been handled better? I guess? They treated me like a suspect & protected themselves, just like this guy did.

[MysteriousR1]

When are you going to understand that he didn't draw his weapon for speeding?

If the bike had been OFF and the rider not moving, I highly doubt that weapon would have been unholstered.

Step 1 - stop bike
Step 2 - TURN OFF BIKE immediately.

Even an MSF student learns that one on the first day.

Step 1: Identify yourself as a police officer.

I do see you point for sure, but anyone could jump out of a car with a gun announcing there a police officer, i could see someone panicing. How could he be sure? And yes the police car behind should have made it quite apparent.

[OreoGaborio]

1 - If someone's pointing a 400lb projectile at you, the first thing you do is tell them who you are? No. You tell them to stop & turn the bike off, THEN ID yourself. That's what this guy did. Regardless, you're splitting hairs.

2 - If I get pulled over by a cop & another car comes flying in, unmarked or not, it's pretty damn certain to be another cop.

[MysteriousR1]

Your right, my god, what was I thinking.

[scr1be]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7PC9cZEWCQ

[OreoGaborio]

Well it's about time you realized it.

[obsolete]

Yup, no chance in hell they thought he was running.

[OreoGaborio]

Good... full video (kinda).

So he never even actually pulled over.

And 7 seconds... the gun was out of its holster for 7 whole seconds and it went away as soon as the bike was off. So what?

[GTStang]

A cop is always a cop. On duty or not.

And that is great but an off-duty cop needs to realize when he/she is in an ummarked car, no blue lights, does not show a badge, and pulls a gun they are not a cop to that person but just some crazy with a gun.

Any cop that does not want to accept this needs to be stripped of thier badge and fired. When you are given a position of power of society you need to be held to high standards and if you do not accept that they you are not deserving of that repsonsibility.

[OreoGaborio]

This one time, I got a phone call from work when I was off duty... so I DREW MY PHONE... and I POINTED IT AT MY HEAD.... and said... "Hello?"

[GTStang]

This one time, I got a phone call from work when I was off duty... so I DREW MY PHONE... and I POINTED IT AT MY HEAD.... and said... "Hello?"

If only we were lucky enough for your phone to go off when you did that, stupid phone safeties!

[OreoGaborio]

If only we were lucky enough for you phone to go off when you did that, stupid phone safeties!

Hehehe. I know, right? Good thing I didn't pull the answer trigger





BTW, I hope the rider gets a reckless charge for the wheelie
(Not really, but it'd be funny and it'd serve him right for posting the video & making such a big deal out of such a minor situation. The cops duty was to protect himself & others... he did that, IMO.)

[Fitz]

And that is great but an off-duty cop needs to realize when he/she is in an ummarked car, no blue lights, does not show a badge, and pulls a gun they are not a cop to that person but just some crazy with a gun.

Any cop that does not want to accept this needs to be stripped of thier badge and fired. When you are given a position of power of society you need to be held to high standards and if you do not accept that they you are not deserving of that repsonsibility.

The officer identified himself as he was emerging from the car. Crank your volume up.

Fitz