crashing???

[Kham]

oh this was 3 bike pile up accident last saturday somewhere in north adam.

[Honclfibr]

he's suppose to be the smart one. good job, computer programming and everything.

Here, let me put it in a language he can understand then.

if((OtherRider.Position == InFrontOfMe) && (OtherRider.Status = Crashed))
{

if(Me.FollowingDistance == TooClose)
{

Me.Crash();
Accident.pFault = &Me;
Me.Learn.SafeFollowingDistance();

}

}

[LiononaLeash]

I crash. Its my fault. It ends there. There is no real responsibility that others have for me when it really comes down to it. If the car takes a left in front of me and crash, I was not planning ahead well enough.

Just an example... In that situation, I try to time my entry through an intersection before or after a vehicle is able to take that left turn in front of me. It takes the possibility of getting cut off away, whether it happens or not.

The more you can plan, the safer you'll be. For me, riding a bike, particularly on the street, is far more mentally exhausting than in a car.

Group rides tend to be aweful(the more bikes there are, the worse it gets). Folks generally ride too close together, they ride faster than traffic, meaning they will constantly be stacking up behind a car that's "in the way" of their fun. It seems a lot of folks don't know how to give themselves (and everyone else)room to attack the corners when they come.

I could be way off here for everyone else, but it seems to me that I have the most fun on a ride when I ride straight sections slower so that I can create room in front of me to carve the corners.

Anyway, I went on a bit longer than I intended.

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

I had this Happen to Me On Sunday My front Master cylinder Stoped venting correctly and Locked up after I got on the brakes coming out of T6 as I was on the gas not even touching the brake lever It felt like the Motor blew and tossed ass over teacup. Another rider behind me on a 125 hit me and the bike as I was going down, Then his father on another 125 hit the rear tire of my bike and went down. There is NO Blame it was a racing incedent But I still feel kinda Bad as the rider behind Made the choice to hit my bike instead of me. He got Knocked out and ended up with 2 broken Ankles and VERY Wrecked Bike Cracked frame broken front rotor. I feel bad for the guy.

I Badly sprained my ankle But That is really nothing in comparison.

[bigred875]

Here, let me put it in a language he can understand then.

if((OtherRider.Position == InFrontOfMe) && (OtherRider.Status = Crashed))
{

if(Me.FollowingDistance == TooClose)
{

Me.Crash();
Accident.pFault = &Me;
Me.Learn.SafeFollowingDistance();

}

}

racist

[kb1]

If you go down it's your fault, you should always be riding with enough space to give yourself an out, whether you're going 20 or 120 you need to leave that space. Just like if a car stops fast in front of you and you rear-end the guy it's YOUR fault because you need to be in control of your vehicle at all times.

The argument cannot be made that the accident was unavoidable, because it was easily avoidable by carrying enough space between the riders. Usually when I ride in groups I try to ride off-set from the rider in front of me and leave the appropriate distance that I can make an evasive maneuver or stop before going down as well. I also watch my mirrors and blind spots so I know whether I have an out into other lanes or even the other side of the road if necessary.

[KB]

If you are asian it's your fault no matter what happens/

KB

[ZX-12R]

racist

More like fucking hilarious!

[CB750F]

Hypothetically... if He hit the sand/pothole/whatever... why did you crash?

aaaaannnnnndddddd..... tricky mike for the win lmfao

[butcher bergs]

oh this was 3 bike pile up accident last saturday somewhere in north adam.

3 bikes??

Sounds to me like 1 mistake followed by 2 idiots.

[CMG241]

3 bikes??

Sounds to me like 1 mistake followed by 2 idiots.

search youtube, thers hundreds of em.

[csmutty]

ah the MSF force is strong in this one....
a voice of wisdom you have

Damn haha, I was going to say the same thing. You can control your own safety by creating space and keeping a safety margin. Even if someone is tailgating you, you can still increase the following distance between you and the car in front of you to allow you more space to stop or swerve.

[G21forme]

There is NO Blame it was a racing incedent But I still feel kinda Bad as the rider behind Made the choice to hit my bike instead of me. He got Knocked out and ended up with 2 broken Ankles and VERY Wrecked Bike Cracked frame broken front rotor. I feel bad for the guy.

I have a few friends who worked on the guy in the ER, that's a sucky way to start the season.


back on topic
If the rider in front of you causes you to crash you where riding too fast too close or both.

[jpman2700]

It's like skiing.

The rider in front has the right of way. It is the responsibility of the rider behind and /or overtaking to assess any and all situations and not make things worse.

Pfft, totally different. With skiing you can treat other people like slalomn gates and not get pulled over......

[DucDave]

i'd like to know if there is any disagreement on this.

...you're kidding, right? Even without a topic we will disagree...

[Kham]

...you're kidding, right? Even without a topic we will disagree...

well ok as long as we disagree to agree. wait that dont make sense. nvm...

who is this "we" business?

[Cheese]

so if a car cuts you off and cause you to crash by yourself. it's your fault?

Perhaps, but if the rider following ass packs you while you're trying to avoid that car or runs you over after you've laid your bike down, that blame is all on him.

Although this is America and nobody likes to be at fault so I'm sure there's a hot cup of coffee to be blamed somehow.

[Kham]

If you are asian it's your fault no matter what happens/

KB

what if you're obama?

[Kham]

if i ever go down (again) because of someone in front did something stupid, i would be kicking myself.

[FlynGSXR1k]

i should be more clearer. if the guy in front did something stupid and crash and you pile on him. there should be no question here.

what about if he hit sand/pothole and you pile on him?

I think the same 'rule' applies as when in a cage... You need to be in total control of your vehicle at all times, meaning, create enough distance between you and the other vehicles on the road so you have time to maneuver through an escape route. There will always be exceptions (in cases of negligence, or possibly a 'no-fault' situation in case of road conditions but normally if you pile into someone from the back, its because the driver/rider was following too closely for the conditions.

[Kham]

There will always be exceptions (in cases of negligence, or possibly a 'no-fault' situation in case of road conditions

even in this case, you would go down by yourself. if you're following someone a mile away, there is no friggin way you will pile on the guy in front because he hit sand. just ask bigred. but then it's not following. you would be by your own group.

[hqp921]

If you are asian it's your fault no matter what happens/

KB

Aww dammit!

["Dangerous" Dan K]

Let me throw a small threadjack in here. I already have my opinion on the matter, which is rider at fault, but I'm curious the take. A lot of you are saying being cut off changes things. So say John Doe is riding down the street, and Jane Doe pulls out of her driveway, on the phone, not paying attention, directly in front of John. John end up grabbing a handful of brakes, putting the bike on the front wheel but still can't stop in time and parks himself in Jane's tailgate. I say John should have been paying better attention and left himself a better out. In retrospect, which is always 20/20, he may even have been able to go around the car/suv, but it happened too fast and handful of brakes was the instant reaction. Does anyone place blame on Jane for pulling out without checking? To me, John is on a sportbike, one of the best handling and best stopping vehicles on the road. He should have found a way to avoid it, and if he didn't he fucked up.

Sincerely,

John

[Kham]

Let me throw a small threadjack in here. I already have my opinion on the matter, which is rider at fault, but I'm curious the take. A lot of you are saying being cut off changes things. So say John Doe is riding down the street, and Jane Doe pulls out of her driveway, on the phone, not paying attention, directly in front of John. John end up grabbing a handful of brakes, putting the bike on the front wheel but still can't stop in time and parks himself in Jane's tailgate. I say John should have been paying better attention and left himself a better out. In retrospect, which is always 20/20, he may even have been able to go around the car/suv, but it happened too fast and handful of brakes was the instant reaction. Does anyone place blame on Jane for pulling out without checking? To me, John is on a sportbike, one of the best handling and best stopping vehicles on the road. He should have found a way to avoid it, and if he didn't he fucked up.

Sincerely,

John

easy...

technically it's Jane's fault because John has right of way and John would be rich from insurance but John would get hurt.

on the other hand if john is experience, 1)he wouldn't be doing 100mph because he wouldn't be able to stop or swerve. he would be at speed that he can stop or swerve in time. 2) he would scan the side road and might see the backup light or even Jane was on the phone then prepare for Jane's next move.

that's what i would do.

[richw]

If impact occurs guy in back is responsible

However on the road you have to make assumptions to move along. If front rider locks them up then goes down you would have to be what like 10 bike length to be safe to stop in a controlled manner... not likely

Other cut offs are vehicles entering into your travel lane where you have right away. You are responsible if action is in your travel lane.

Originally in dirtbiking when someone in fornt went down we yelled TRACTION.