crashing???

[Doc]

Let me throw a small threadjack in here. I already have my opinion on the matter, which is rider at fault, but I'm curious the take. A lot of you are saying being cut off changes things. So say John Doe is riding down the street, and Jane Doe pulls out of her driveway, on the phone, not paying attention, directly in front of John. John end up grabbing a handful of brakes, putting the bike on the front wheel but still can't stop in time and parks himself in Jane's tailgate. I say John should have been paying better attention and left himself a better out. In retrospect, which is always 20/20, he may even have been able to go around the car/suv, but it happened too fast and handful of brakes was the instant reaction. Does anyone place blame on Jane for pulling out without checking? To me, John is on a sportbike, one of the best handling and best stopping vehicles on the road. He should have found a way to avoid it, and if he didn't he fucked up.

Sincerely,

John

If your saying they "pulled out in front of" or "cut me off" I automatically assume that I couldn't have avoided it.

If I can avoid it (by being observant and leaving outs) then it would just be "the stupid ass that almost hit me"

["Dangerous" Dan K]

If your saying they "pulled out in front of" or "cut me off" I automatically assume that I couldn't have avoided it.

If I can avoid it (by being observant and leaving outs) then it would just be "the stupid ass that almost hit me"

Jane pulled out of a driveway without looking. John could have avoided it if he was doing the SL... this is one of those rare instances where I agree that "speed was a contributing factor to the crash". However, had Jane been paying attention, it wouldn't have happened. Having been there I still think John fucked up, but so did Jane. still, if John were riding the SL and doing what he should have been doing he probably would have avoided the crash. John hit Jane on the front wheel, handful of brakes having been grabbed. If he were going slower, that likely would have been enough. FWIW this issue is old, settled, and moved on from. I'm just curious how people would interpret it.

Thanks,

John

[Kham]

If impact occurs guy in back is responsible

However on the road you have to make assumptions to move along. If front rider locks them up then goes down you would have to be what like 10 bike length to be safe to stop in a controlled manner... not likely

if the impact is such that you will be pancake, then i wouldn't be following you at all. if front wheel locks up, the bike would flip, carry momentum in straight line till stop i think. not the same as running into wall.

[Kham]

FWIW this issue is old, settled, and moved on from. I'm just curious how people would interpret it.

Thanks,

John

it had to be old because traffic rules weren't invented yesterday. how does it settle? it doesn't really matter. it's whatever the insurance ahve to say. if john has right of way then Jane is at fault. if can prove john is speeding then both are at fault probly. question is even if you are right, do you want to hit jane on your motorcycle.

[Rambunctous]

Back to the original question? I use this trick while racing all the time. Say going into T9(turn nine) I will steer straight ahead. Then when I start to go off the pavement I make a sharp left hand turn. ZOOM! I watch in my mirror as the idiot following me flies of the hill into a pile of railroad ties. Another trick I have used is to mount a windshield washer system under my seat cowl filled with "SLICK40". Press of the button and KABOOM. Sometimes I am the only one to finish a race. I get all the plaques then.