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    Upstate NY motorcyclist dies after hitting head on pavement during protest against helmet laws - Yahoo! News....Information from: The Post-Standard, http://www.syracuse.com

    ONONDAGA, N.Y. - Police say a motorcyclist participating in a protest ride against helmet laws in upstate New York died after he flipped over the bike's handlebars and hit his head on the pavement.
    The accident happened Saturday afternoon in the town of Onondaga, in central New York near Syracuse.
    State troopers tell The Post-Standard of Syracuse that 55-year-old Philip A. Contos of Parish, New York, was driving a 1983 Harley Davidson with a group of bikers who were protesting helmet laws by not wearing helmets.
    Troopers say Contos hit his brakes and the motorcycle fishtailed. The bike spun out of control, and Contos toppled over the handlebars. He was pronounced dead at a hospital.
    Troopers say Contos would have likely survived if he had been wearing a helmet.
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    Information from: The Post-Standard, http://www.syracuse.com

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    Usually they don't release how they died but I'm sure they are trying to send a message. Guy took a risk and lost. RIP.

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    I saw somewhere that his shoe lace got caught in the chain/belt which caused his fishtail.

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    Re: This is ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by drowe531 View Post
    I saw somewhere that his shoe lace got caught in the chain/belt which caused his fishtail.
    I saw somewhere that his helmet got caught in his closet, which caused his death.

    Irony has a name... Philip A. Contos. Rest in peace. May your tragedy be a wake-up call to others.


    I get that the whole debate over helmet laws is supposedly a "choice" thing... well here's an idea.... CHOOSE to GET OVER IT.

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    Re: This is ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    I saw somewhere that his helmet got caught in his closet, which caused his death.

    Irony has a name... Philip A. Contos. Rest in peace. May your tragedy be a wake-up call to others.


    I get that the whole debate over helmet laws is supposedly a "choice" thing... well here's an idea.... CHOOSE to GET OVER IT.
    http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.s..._during_h.html


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    I applaud this man. I do not agree with the helmet law at all, and truly hope that someday it disappears.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I applaud this man. I do not agree with the helmet law at all, and truly hope that someday it disappears.
    I'm not even gonna ask why, cuz I don't want to think less of you


    http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/helmet_use.html
    5 How do helmet laws affect motorcyclist deaths and injuries?
    In states that either reinstated or enacted universal motorcycle helmet laws, helmet use increased dramatically, and motorcyclist deaths and injuries decreased. In states that repealed or weakened their universal helmet laws, helmet use declined sharply, and motorcyclist deaths and injuries rose.

    In two recent studies, researchers modeled state motorcyclist fatality rates by helmet law type, after controlling for various factors such as per capita income, population density, and annual precipitation. Death rates were lowest in states with helmet laws that cover all riders. Rates in states with helmet laws that cover only some riders were lower than those in states with no helmet law, but not as low as rates in states with helmet laws that cover all riders. These results held for all three types of rates considered: deaths per 10,000 registered motorcycles, deaths per 100,000 population, and deaths per 10 billion vehicle miles traveled.13,14

    Some examples of helmet laws and their effect on helmet use and death and injury rates:

    When California's helmet use law covering all riders took effect on January 1, 1992 helmet use jumped to 99 percent from about 50 percent before the law,15 and the number of motorcyclist fatalities decreased 37 percent.16
    Nebraska reinstated a helmet law on January 1, 1989, after repealing an earlier law in 1977. The state then saw a 22 percent reduction in serious head injuries among motorcyclists.17
    From 1968 to 1977, Texas had a universal helmet use law estimated to have saved 650 lives, but the law was amended in 1977 to apply only to riders younger than 18. The weakened law coincided with a 35 percent increase in motorcyclist fatalities. Texas reinstated its helmet law for all motorcyclists in September 1989. The month before the law took effect, the helmet use rate was 41 percent. The rate jumped to 90 percent during the first month of the law and had risen to 98 percent by June 1990.18 Serious injury crashes per registered motorcycle decreased 11 percent.19 But in September 1997, Texas again weakened its helmet law, requiring helmets only for riders younger than 21. Helmet use in Texas dropped to 66 percent by May 1998, and operator fatalities increased 31 percent in the first full year following the repeal.20
    Kentucky repealed its universal helmet law in 1998, followed by Louisiana in 1999. These actions resulted in lower helmet use, and quickly increased motorcyclist deaths in these states by 50 percent and 100 percent, respectively.21
    In 2000, Florida's universal helmet law was weakened to exempt riders 21 and older who have at least $10,000 of medical insurance coverage. An Institute study found that the motorcyclist death rate in Florida increased by about 25 percent after the state weakened its helmet law. The death rate rose from 31 fatalities per 1,000 crash involvements before the law change (1998-99) to 39 fatalities per 1,000 crash involvements after (2001-2002). An estimated 117 deaths could have been prevented during 2001-02 if the law had not been changed.22 An evaluation of the Florida law change by NHTSA found a similar effect; motorcyclist deaths per 10,000 motorcycle registrations increased 21 percent during the two years after the law was changed compared with the two years before.11

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    Re: This is ironic.

    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post

    -your "facts" leave out technological-advances in construction/engineering of head protection in the last 25 or so years.

    -"helmet laws" do NOT save lives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OreoGaborio View Post
    I'm not even gonna ask why, cuz I don't want to think less of you


    http://www.iihs.org/research/qanda/helmet_use.html
    I know that helmets save lives and that it is beneficial to wear one. But do I think that people should be forced to wear one? No.

    Not wearing a helmet will only effect the person in question, so there is no reason that the government should be able to tell someone that they have to wear it. Personal health should be just that...personal.

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    I hear ya preteen, but when a father of 3 dies, it effects more than just the dead dude.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I know that helmets save lives and that it is beneficial to wear one. But do I think that people should be forced to wear one? No.

    Not wearing a helmet will only effect the person in question, so there is no reason that the government should be able to tell someone that they have to wear it. Personal health should be just that...personal.
    I agree 100%

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    Me too! 100%

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    It might be better to have laws about Harleys that "lock up" while riding, or riders who don't know what to do when one does!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chippertheripper View Post
    I hear ya preteen, but when a father of 3 dies, it effects more than just the dead dude.
    That is his ill judgement. Not the responsibility of the government. Is it sad...yes. But nothing more than education can be rendered.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Not wearing a helmet will only effect the person in question, so there is no reason that the government should be able to tell someone that they have to wear it. Personal health should be just that...personal.
    Say the operator of a car or fellow bike collides with a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet. That motorcyclist falls, hits their head, and dies. That driver will likely, if not almost certainly, be charged with involuntary homicide. Should the rider have been wearing a helmet and survived, it's nothing more than an accident with an injury payout. Never mind that insurance rates increase for all riders as a result of increased injury payouts, decreased hospital and emergency responder availability, etc. You're forced to wear seatbelts, adhere to a speed limit, stop at traffic controls, and millions of other things when it comes to transportation. How is being mandated to wear a helmet any different?

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    Quote Originally Posted by camhabib View Post
    Say the operator of a car or fellow bike collides with a motorcyclist not wearing a helmet. That motorcyclist falls, hits their head, and dies. That driver will likely, if not almost certainly, be charged with involuntary homicide. Should the rider have been wearing a helmet and survived, it's nothing more than an accident with an injury payout. Never mind that insurance rates increase for all riders as a result of increased injury payouts, decreased hospital and emergency responder availability, etc. You're forced to wear seatbelts, adhere to a speed limit, stop at traffic controls, and millions of other things when it comes to transportation. How is being mandated to wear a helmet any different?
    Speed limit effects others, traffic controls effect others, and other things effect others. Seat belts and helmets do not.

    The problem lies with the insurance companies not being able to drop coverage if a person is not wearing a helmet or seatbelt. Or perhaps you have to pay a higher premium for coverage that protects you if you decide to not wear a helmet or a seat belt. That way others rates do not increase and everyone is happy.

    Legislation that requires personal safety devices just bandaids the real problem.

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    Just playin some devil's advocate. I don't like the idea of being protected from myself.
    I gotta be honest, the thought of going to jail has stopped me from drinking and driving more times than the thought of killing somebody else. And that's the same type of law. Human nature? I dunno.

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    I know that helmets save lives and that it is beneficial to wear one. But do I think that people should be forced to wear one? No.

    Not wearing a helmet will only effect the person in question, so there is no reason that the government should be able to tell someone that they have to wear it. Personal health should be just that...personal.


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    Quote Originally Posted by wesvailco View Post
    -your "facts" leave out technological-advances in construction/engineering of head protection in the last 25 or so years.

    -"helmet laws" do NOT save lives.
    logic and reading comprehension fail.

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    Seems pretty clear to me that wearing a helmet is safer and clearly the smart choice. But should there be a law against it? I'm not sure. I've been considering this for a while now and I really just don't know.

    I don't see any reason why there should be laws preventing people from doing stupid shit (from the public's perspective) that doesn't inflict harm on others. If you want to take risks or harm yourself and are sane thinking person, have at it; it's your body. I don't think that not wearing a helmet means you're any more likely to hurt another person on the road. I feel this way about a lot of things: drugs/alcohol in your own home, body modification, etc.. If you're not hurting (or increasing the risk of hurting) anyone else, why should the law step in?

    Well the only argument that satisfies me is that by NOT having a helmet law, you don't put a cap on that peer pressure culture that says it's not cool to wear a helmet. Yeah, I know, we're all adults. But that could be a determining factor in whether someone wears a helmet or not. It's a psychological thing, like having people opt-out of organ donor programs instead of opting-in, like they do in the 'states.

    But why stop at helmets? Why not back protectors, jackets, boots, riding pants? Does it make me nervous when I see someone driving like an idiot on the highway with flip-flips and shorts? Yes. Should they wear gear? Of course. Is it the governments place to enforce that? I don't know...

    Education is great. More people should take the motorcycle riding class...

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    Quote Originally Posted by csmutty View Post
    Speed limit effects others, traffic controls effect others, and other things effect others. Seat belts and helmets do not.
    I thought that one reason why seat belts are mandated is also that it keeps you from rolling around and hitting other passengers in the car. So in that way, it could effect others, even though not other vehicles.

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