He's dead, Jim.
Sam
Incorrect senior.Originally Posted by csmutty
I know that helmets save lives and that it is beneficial to wear one. But do I think that people should be forced to wear one? No.
Not wearing a helmet will only effect the person in question, so there is no reason that the government should be able to tell someone that they have to wear it. Personal health should be just that...personal.
They argue medical cost would drastically be cut down had non-helmet victims been wearing a helmet. I forgot where the study was so I can't cite it.
You can then inturn say " well if everyone wore a bubble wrap suit when we went outside then medical cost would also go down" which is correct. Which is WHY the debate is over the fine line between personal freedom and Institutional rules.
My $0.02 ? Driving is privilege. Not a right. The rules of the road should curtail some personal freedom.
Helmets are extra weight on your head, so they pull it down in a crash causing you to hit it, and harder because the extra weight adds inertia.
It's all water under the bridge, and we do enter the next round-robin. Am I wrong?
Doubtful. A shoelace would shread before it locks up a rear tire. Even my XR100 chewed through it.
See the link I posted a few posts after. I wasn't there and have no idea if that is what happened either.
Granted both people that claimed it was his shoelace weren't there as well.
Last edited by drowe531; 07-07-11 at 12:12 PM.
I have always agreed with you on this point until recently.
Now, I have to admit that I have reconsidered my position.
Considering that public transportation here in the US is almost non-existant outside of urban areas and the distances that people have to travel just in order to get a job, I have begun to think that a person can not survive without a 4 season motorized vehicle of some sort.
Sam
Is that supposed to be a valid excuse?
--Well, since I live in the country it should be my right to drive however I want!
Should somebody that gets multiple DUIs be given their license back just because they have to drive 20 miles to work and there is no bus that will take them? Or should they find a living situation that suits their life style? The entitlement complex is a bit frustrating, as people seem to believe that just because they live in America they should be able to live the life style that they dream of. Don't want to obey the rules for the road? Move to a city. Can't afford to live in the city? Find a job close to home in a cheaper area. Just because somebody can't figure out how to make their life work for them doesn't mean we should pander to these people.
Life is a lot of hard work, deal with it.
And please, how do the regulations that exist today prevent somebody from operating and owning a 4 season vehicle?
'06 Triumph Sprint ST ABS
'90 Yamaha XT350
I didn't know whether to post this here, or in the "ignorant comments thread."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOAyXC-9Gw
edit heres another gem. watch for the mouth brreather at 0:30 "this guvner thinks were not incapable of makin choices fer ourself!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urA2A...eature=related
Last edited by Rossco; 07-07-11 at 08:33 PM.
Wow....so relieved to discover that the safety of helmets is a myth.
Who knew....
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.”
Muhammad Ali.
You need to chill out.
There is a massive difference between what I posted and the invented points that you are arguing against.
I have no issue with denying rights to people who prove they are incapable of acting responsibly. I can think of a million different examples of our society denying someone rights once they have been convicted of a crime.
My opinion is more of the definition of "privilege" and "right". Here is an example, my kids earn privileges. Good grades, doing their chores etc get them rewards. They have the rights which they do not have to earn, like food, clothing and shelter.
I do not see people "earning" the privilege to drive. All they have to do is pass a test and they are on the road. If they had to actually earn the "privilege" (community service, excellent grades, whatever) perhaps there would be less irresponsible drivers on the road. As it is, I believe our society views driving as a right, which means you can do it until you screw up, instead of having to earn the reward of being allowed to drive.
and please show me where I said people were not "allowed" any type of vehicle. I only made an observation. Perhaps you should work a little more on reading comprehension and a little less on righteous indignation.
Sam
I live for righteous indignation....
"A man who views the world the same at 50 as he did at 20 has wasted 30 years of his life.”
Muhammad Ali.
You made very vague statements, and I was trying to get you to expand upon them. I know what gets you fired up, and I knew it would make you defend your position. Sorry if I prefer real comments (like this one) to whatever drivel you had said before (below).
You said "I have begun to think that a person can not survive without a 4 season motorized vehicle of some sort". Which, given the conversation, implies that somehow the regulations are preventing people from having a 4 season motorized vehicle. If you didn't mean to imply that, then what are you trying to say? I was showing that you don't truly need a vehicle, it just makes life easier and allows you more freedom to choose where you want to live, work, and travel. The only people that think there aren't alternatives to owning a car aren't willing to make the necessary sacrifices, and sometimes life requires you to pick from 2 shitty choices. I wouldn't feel bad if there were more people that were not allowed to drive because of their inability to demonstrate competence behind the wheel.
I thought you were arguing that there is too much regulation, and driving should be more of a right than a privilege (based on the statement you disagreed with), but with the number of stupid people in this country, it really needs to go the other way.
You're right that it is perceived as a right, and that's a byproduct of the sense of entitlement that most people have nowadays. I absolutely feel that it should be MUCH harder to get your license, though I don't think they should do what they do in places like Germany where it is super expensive just to register your car. Vehicles do need to be easily accessible (meaning affordable to use), but I don't think that the license to drive that vehicle should be so easy to get (still affordable though, they just need a better filter to keep the bad drivers away).
'06 Triumph Sprint ST ABS
'90 Yamaha XT350
o'rly?
If you wanted me to expand or elaborate on a previous statement, you could have just said, "Please elaborate or expand on your previous statement."
Instead you decided it would be more fun to misinterpret my post and then voice your indignation at an opinion that no one here has even come close to voicing. THEN when you were called on it, you claim to take the position that you just wanted to "fire me up".
Can you guess which one is you?
Sam
You realize that the first thing I said was intentionally over the top and tongue-in-cheek, right? And sure, the DUI case was a bit extreme, but if you say that people should have the right to drive because this country is spread out, then the rest of what I said is completely valid.
And yes, it was more fun to do it this way
'06 Triumph Sprint ST ABS
'90 Yamaha XT350
Ladies, ladies... kiss and make up.
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