NESBA BANS MOTARDS

[Hardcore]

MOTARDS SUCK ------------------------------PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[lrrs313]

They talk about "closing speed" being the dangerous part, but they're only talking about closing speed on the straight. In my opinion, closing speed on the straight is not nearly as big a problem as closing speed mid-corner. At least on the straight, you can move a couple feet to one side, roll off the throttle a little bit (it is a track day, not a race), or even apply a little bit of brake. Mid-corner, it can be very difficult to do any of those things without risking a crash. And by the way, the motard (assuming equal pilots) will be faster mid-corner. And as far as top speed, I have passed an awful lot of EXs, and even a couple of Ducati SS bike on the front straight at Loudon. On a motard.

[Tricky Mike]

MOTARDS SUCK ------------------------------PERIOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i can't believe it took 50 posts for your arrival.

[GixerJockey]

"Oooooo, breath mints...... Our leeeps are so clooose..."

Not if you was the laaaaaast immigrant grocer on earth, honey.

"Give me a glazed donut........... and a bottle of anything.. .. .. TO GO!"

[rg500]

Those guys are some serious sportbike Nazi's. Have fun in NJ Manny......


No Trackday for you!

[KevinB]

I've done a few NESBA events and was not impressed organization. It was nice to run some other tracks, but our local trackday promoters make these guys look like clowns.

[Tricky Mike]

"Oooooo, breath mints...... Our leeeps are so clooose..."

Thank you.

[Crash Dummy Denno]

i can't believe it took 50 posts for your arrival.

+1 hahahahha

[GixerJockey]

Thank you.

Oh no, thank YOU sir... I forgot how much that video used to make me laugh...

[TTD]

They won't get another penny of my money. This is absurd.

Tony hasn't commented on this, but I am sure glad he doesn't have his head in the same hole NESBA seems to.

I am not concerned with the closing speed issue... but I am concerned with motors blowing up.

Long before this debate came up, I've been saying that I don't believe dirt bike motors were designed to sustain long periods at Wide Open Throttle (WOT).

Anyone that rides a dirt bike knows that you are rarely at WOT for more than a couple of seconds... as the terrain simply does not allow it. I still believe that these types of motors are meant to be constantly changing in RPM's and that sitting on a long straight like Thunderbolt can lead to motors going BOOM!

Unfortunately, this also means the track getting oil on it and shutting us down for a while. (Not to mention that I believe there is an additional fee from the track for the cleanup! )

At this moment, I'm not implementing any special rules. However, if we have a motard blow up... that will likely cause the rule to go into effect.

So... my suggestion to you Motard riders is to "throw away" the straight at NJ. In other words, stay to the far inside and modulate your rpm's while regularly checking over your shoulder for a gap in traffic as you near the end of the straight. Time your "re entry" onto the line so you don't affect anyone else.

We'll make all riders aware of this so they won't ride up your butt and they'll know what you're doing and know what you're planning to do as we near the first turn.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?

[catch2otwo]

I am not concerned with the closing speed issue... but I am concerned with motors blowing up.

Long before this debate came up, I've been saying that I don't believe dirt bike motors were designed to sustain long periods at Wide Open Throttle (WOT).

Anyone that rides a dirt bike knows that you are rarely at WOT for more than a couple of seconds... as the terrain simply does not allow it. I still believe that these types of motors are meant to be constantly changing in RPM's and that sitting on a long straight like Thunderbolt can lead to motors going BOOM!

Unfortunately, this also means the track getting oil on it and shutting us down for a while. (Not to mention that I believe there is an additional fee from the track for the cleanup! )

At this moment, I'm not implementing any special rules. However, if we have a motard blow up... that will likely cause the rule to go into effect.

So... my suggestion to you Motard riders is to "throw away" the straight at NJ. In other words, stay to the far inside and modulate your rpm's while regularly checking over your shoulder for a gap in traffic as you near the end of the straight. Time your "re entry" onto the line so you don't affect anyone else.

We'll make all riders aware of this so they won't ride up your butt and they'll know what you're doing and know what you're planning to do as we near the first turn.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?

sure sounds a whole lot better then banning them completely. but then again i dont ride a motard.

[rg500]

Tony, That seems very reasonable. I think anyone riding on any track should be aware of the strengths and liabilities of their ride and plan accordingly. I know VIR was tough on my 525, but it sure was fun. Looking at the map for thunderbolt it is clear that it is not an ideal place to ride a motard. I don't even have a problem with you or anyone discouraging motards, but a ban?

The thing with Nesba is that they seem to think motards are the only bikes that will have closing speed issues. That is ridiculous there are plenty of small bikes that would have a similar problem. Not to mention the fact that riders on faster bikes should be prepared to deal with the differential.

I also have a big problem with some of the stuff that their control riders are saying. There is no reason for the staff to be treating customers like that. The decisions about the rules should be made and explained by someone with a little more tact, and authority.

All in all it really makes me appreciate the very professional organization you have created.

[SVRACER01]

if NESBAs issue was the same as Tonys (motors blowing) then maybe NESBA riders would be more understanding. the closing speed issue is a lame excuse, i obviously ride an SV and and its not like i fly past motards on the straight, so the closing speed on my SV is gonna be the same

[R7]

I think Joel (idiotboy) said it best when it comes to Motards blowing up... Leave the motor stock, change the oil+filters often, and keep the air filter clean and they will last forever! Once you open that motor up, it's a ticking time bomb

This doesn't apply to KTMs though, they seem to blow up no matter what

I am not concerned with the closing speed issue... but I am concerned with motors blowing up.

Long before this debate came up, I've been saying that I don't believe dirt bike motors were designed to sustain long periods at Wide Open Throttle (WOT).

[lrrs313]

doesn't apply to KTMs though, they seem to blow up no matter what

Actually, KTM motors are pretty bulletproof once you weld the crank. Mine's on its 3rd season. New piston/rings last year at the midpoint of the season. Didn't need it, but I was having the crank welded, so figured I might as well. Piston and rings looked fine when I changed them. I do agree about leaving them stock, though. And sensible routine maint. like top end once a season (minimum) and probly replace the crank every other top end.

[seth399]

I am not concerned with the closing speed issue... but I am concerned with motors blowing up.

Long before this debate came up, I've been saying that I don't believe dirt bike motors were designed to sustain long periods at Wide Open Throttle (WOT).

Anyone that rides a dirt bike knows that you are rarely at WOT for more than a couple of seconds... as the terrain simply does not allow it. I still believe that these types of motors are meant to be constantly changing in RPM's and that sitting on a long straight like Thunderbolt can lead to motors going BOOM!

Unfortunately, this also means the track getting oil on it and shutting us down for a while. (Not to mention that I believe there is an additional fee from the track for the cleanup! )

At this moment, I'm not implementing any special rules. However, if we have a motard blow up... that will likely cause the rule to go into effect.

So... my suggestion to you Motard riders is to "throw away" the straight at NJ. In other words, stay to the far inside and modulate your rpm's while regularly checking over your shoulder for a gap in traffic as you near the end of the straight. Time your "re entry" onto the line so you don't affect anyone else.

We'll make all riders aware of this so they won't ride up your butt and they'll know what you're doing and know what you're planning to do as we near the first turn.

Thoughts? Comments? Suggestions?

solution...2stroke motards pin em all day
But really, I can see this as something that really should be investigated further because blown up motors on a road truck DO suck....but I think its just the nature of a race motor (450 4stroke specifically). They blow up sometimes at the mx track as well. I don't think they blow up "alot" as motards but definitely possible that they do more than the tons of street bikes being raced.