Range Rover runs over biker(s)

[eboos]

How dare you denounce this thread before its life is over. You don't even know this thread or where it is headed.

I heard another thread threw a link at this thread... starting the whole thing.

[Degsy]

Wirelessly posted

Thanks Sav. Was just about to post that myself.

[Chippertheripper]

I'm not playing the I wish I was there game and what I would have done in that situation however at any given day my vehicle is stocked with a cache of firearms and ammo I could take over Canada if I wanted. Luckily for the driver the thugs didn't feel like raping his wife and murdering his child in front of him, because if they did he had no way to protect his family. Personally I love my family.

You know that's what they were planning? Cool.
I'd like a systematic timeline of calls/location(of the rr and enroute law enforcement)/and other available avenues of escape (despite being in a crippled SUV being chased by much more nimble motorcycles). That should give ME a much better place to form an opinion on what I think would've been the best course of action and/or weapon.
Until then I'll just keep on hating my family like Greg thinks anybody who doesn't carry a gun must.

[nhbubba]

..at any given day my vehicle is stocked with a cache of firearms and ammo I could take over Canada if I wanted.

So you have a pump action daisy bb gun, a twelver of Molsen and a bag full of rubber bands?

[Garandman]

You know that's what they were planning? Cool.
I'd like a systematic timeline of calls/location(of the rr and enroute law enforcement)/and other available avenues of escape (despite being in a crippled SUV being chased by much more nimble motorcycles). That should give ME a much better place to form an opinion on what I think would've been the best course of action and/or weapon.
Until then I'll just keep on hating my family like Greg thinks anybody who doesn't carry a gun must.

They mention the times of their calls (think the first one was at 1:55) but I haven't seen any link to the tod in the video so it s hard to say right now.

The #1 question in my mind right now is what did the RR do to get singled out? You can see a Ford Econoline van sneak through on the far side of the road and they don't pay it the slightest bit of attention. Several bikers have come forward to say that the RR did something to precipitate the incident - but there are a least three different versions and no video.

If the RR has a GPS - and I'd be shocked if it did not - it will have the data trail which will give the exact speed, time, direction and location of the RR. So the authorities will be able to establish an extraordinarily precise timeline once they sift through the data. Their smartphones may provide additional location and speed information.

I have thought about what I would do if a pack of bikes came up behind me like that. Right now my thinking is that the best course of action would have been slow down a little bit but otherwise "Maintain course and speed," put on the right hand turn signal, and slowly make my way into the right hand lane. This would let you slow down, pull over into a break down lane, or even exit if the opportunity presented itself. And it would demonstrate you are trying to do what they want you to do - get out of the way.

But these days many drivers do not seem aware that there is a stalk on the steering column of every car which can be used to signal your intended change of direction to other drivers in advance!

[nhbubba]

The #1 question in my mind right now is what did the RR do to get singled out? You can see a Ford Econoline van sneak through on the far side of the road and they don't pay it the slightest bit of attention. Several bikers have come forward to say that the RR did something to precipitate the incident - but there are a least three different versions and no video.

You don't think it was possibly because the Range Rover is a high dollar, flashy target while a Ford Econoline is just this side of invisible? And maybe because the RR was in the middle of the road while the Ford wasn't. In the middle of the road they wanted for their circle jerk?

What these thugs claim-with positively no evidence whatsoever-carries absolutely no weight in my mind.

[Falko]

It should die. It doesn't deserve to be around any more.

Oh, so you're god now??? The greeks never had any g...... never mind.......

[NPDCPA]

...if a pack of bikes came up behind me like that. Right now my thinking is that the best course of action would have been slow down a little bit but otherwise "Maintain course and speed," put on the right hand turn signal, and slowly make my way into the right hand lane. This would let you slow down, pull over into a break down lane, or even exit if the opportunity presented itself. And it would demonstrate you are trying to do what they want you to do - get out of the way.

But these days many drivers do not seem aware that there is a stalk on the steering column of every car which can be used to signal your intended change of direction to other drivers in advance!

That assumes these guys weren't suddenly on both sides of his car at once. Check out their other videos and see how they ride - like a swarm. Maybe RR didn't see them coming until he was in the midst of them and couldn't move. Speculation for sure, but my assumption is based on the pack's antics in other footage.

[virtualbong]

...What these thugs claim-with positively no evidence whatsoever-carries absolutely no weight in my mind.

I have to agree. They have no credibility whatsoever so how can we take their word for it if they have no proof and have a history of being wreckless dumbasses.

[Garandman]

Where's the thread about the run on the South Shore last year where the guy lost his arm? Got it. Wonder what Infamous 508 has to say about all this? Chipper, you still riding with them?

You don't think it was possibly because the Range Rover is a high dollar, flashy target while a Ford Econoline is just this side of invisible? And maybe because the RR was in the middle of the road while the Ford wasn't. In the middle of the road they wanted for their circle jerk?//.

That is the question.

That assumes these guys weren't suddenly on both sides of his car at once. Check out their other videos and see how they ride - like a swarm. Maybe RR didn't see them coming until he was in the midst of them and couldn't move. Speculation for sure, but my assumption is based on the pack's antics in other footage.

Doesn't seem known. I want to find the video clip just prior to the one with the assault and see if it is contiguous.

[FriskyDingo]

May this thread rest in peace

It should die. It doesn't deserve to be around any more.

Wirelessly posted

Thanks Sav. Was just about to post that myself.

maybe because it's not over:

http://news.yahoo.com/video/internal...115113839.html

Another member of the NYPD has come forward, admitting he was part of the group of bikers who would brutally beat NYC dad Alexian Lien following a road rage incident on the West Side Highway. In this case however, the biker is not an undercover cop but a member of the Internal Affairs Bureau, DNAinfo reported Thursday.

of course you could always ignore this story if you want, yet here you are

[Slyder]

I was actually enjoying the bickering.

It's usually the blatant hypocrisy for me. I do all that I can to not quote and start pounding keys, though I'd really like to.

[G21forme]

You know that's what they were planning? Cool.
I'd like a systematic timeline of calls/location(of the rr and enroute law enforcement)/and other available avenues of escape (despite being in a crippled SUV being chased by much more nimble motorcycles). That should give ME a much better place to form an opinion on what I think would've been the best course of action and/or weapon.
Until then I'll just keep on hating my family like Greg thinks anybody who doesn't carry a gun must.

I have insurance
I have aaa
I have jumper cables
I have a Jack and a spare tire
I have blankets
I have flares, tools and a first aid kit
I also have a firearm

Stop being a cunt chip, I said I loved my family that's it nothing more. Sorry if that irritates the sand in your vagina.

[Not Sure]

This thread is awesome.

[e30addict]

This thread is awesome.

Glad to entertain you. One of the many services we at NESR have to offer.

[Chippertheripper]

I have no life.

Stop being a cunt chip, I said I loved my family that's it nothing more. Sorry if that irritates the sand in your vagina.

I love it when you talk dirty like that. All high and mighty and shit.

[Chrisb319]

I guess my point is that shooting the pricks isn't the same as fighting them. Semantics, I guess, but the gun crowd usually acts like shooting someone is the toughest thing a man can do, when in reality, almost any coward can pull the trigger.

I'm not singling anybody out on this forum with that statement. Pulling the trigger is as impersonal as it gets.

Nobody who carries a gun on them for self defense wants to use it to kill someone even for self defense its when they have to when there was no other choice, if I have to I will to defend myself, my family from imminent harm. Ask someone who carries if they are looking for a reason to kill someone today. I don't call shooting someone in self defense the actions of a coward, you will have to live with that decision for the rest of your life!!! If that makes me a bigger coward(according to you) than the person trying to do me harm then what is wrong with our society mindset. That criminal who stabbed you isn't shedding a tear or have a care in the world for you.

[Garandman]

The SUV vs. Biker thread has gone Full Retard, with roughly 80% of the posts over the last 24 hours consisting of "Guns are evil and if you own one you are a mass murderer," versus "This never woulda happened if Lien was packin' and you are retahded," by two individuals.

If we are going to speculate, can we make it more fruitful? I'd like to speculate about what life would be like if I was good looking, wealthy, and married to Sofia Vergara. Because if we are going to invent scenarios, that's where I'm heading.

If we really have to speculate about what Lien could have done, may I start with the fact that Lien may not have been the most observant driver on the planet? WWTAD? (What would the Army do?)

The M5 "Modular Crowd Control Munition" should become an optional accessory for the security-conscious SUV owner.

The MCCM is similar in appearance to the Claymore mine but is filled with 600 32-caliber rubber balls. It has an effective range of 5 to 15 meters with 60-degree coverage. MCCM is command control initiated and disorients and incapacitates targeted individuals for approximately 10 seconds.

A couple on each side, maybe a couple in front and a couple in back, and you can putter down the highway without fear of marauding anything.

[oVTo]

If Fluffy had been packing, there'd be a lot of dead racers right now.

[e30addict]

[RandyO]

I like turtles

I like turtles as long as their snappers, seems like all the other local species are endangered and throw a monkey wrench into some of my projects

[G21forme]

They're

[Garandman]

I guess my point is that shooting the pricks isn't the same as fighting them. Semantics, I guess, but the gun crowd usually acts like shooting someone is the toughest thing a man can do, when in reality, almost any coward can pull the trigger.

I'm not singling anybody out on this forum with that statement. Pulling the trigger is as impersonal as it gets.

Chipper, up to about age 40 I would fight anyone.

I'm 60 now, live in Dorchester, and have a wife and two daughters. My 10yo son got robbed on his bike by three dudes under threat of knife attack last Summer. This is a nice neighborhood so houses get robbed on a weekly basis, including night time B&E. The second-last thing in the world I'd ever want to do is shoot someone. It's nice you live in a situation where that's unthinkable, but that's not the case for everyone. So I hope everyone will stop posturing over firearms since they were not involved in this incident. There is a 50+ page gun thread for that.

A little more news this weekend. First, bikers claim Lien clipped a bike two to three miles prior, and wouldn't stop. Second:

Nearly two weeks later, some bikers are suggesting SUV driver Alexian Lien, knowingly or not, instigated the confrontation off-camera earlier by clipping one of the bikes in a rally on the Henry Hudson Parkway in Manhattan.

Authorities are looking into everything that unfolded along the ride's path from lower to upper Manhattan, including a possibility that a motorcyclist hit the SUV, not the other way around, and broke its side mirror before the encounters on the video, said a law enforcement official, who hadn't been authorized to discuss the inquiry and spoke to The Associated Press on the condition of anonymity.

Attorney Gloria Allred, representing Edwin Mieses Jr., the biker who was crushed, claims Lien bumped another motorcycle while changing lanes on the highway 2 to 3 miles before his SUV knocked into biker Christopher Cruz. "We have evidence that he hit that (first) bike and didn't stop," Allred said by phone. Mieses, of Lawrence, Mass., didn't see any earlier encounter but got off his motorcycle to defuse the tense situation and was headed back when he was hit from behind by the SUV, she said. He broke his legs and suffered a spine injury and likely is paralyzed, his family has said.

Allred declined to say what other witnesses had contacted her, but another biker who participated in the rally, Louis Castaldo, gave a similar account in an interview on Fox 5 News.

NEW YORK (MYFOXNY) - Louis Castaldo, who rides a Suzuki DRZ Supermoto, is a condo building manager and married father with a 10 year old girl. He rides with the Turn It Up bike club. He says he was there as the terrible events unfolded on the West Side Highway and insists rider Christopher Cruz slowed down his bike to stop the Range Rover after it knocked someone off their bike.

Castaldo says what we don't see in the video is what prompted the bikers to stop: he says the whole episode would have ended right there with just a simple sign of respect, such as an apology from the SUV driver. He says the riders tried to calm the situation down and were ready to ride off when the range rover suddenly knocked Edwin Mieses off his bike, then allegedly ran over him and the motorcycle. He says they did not want the SUV to hurt more people.

Castaldo says he and his group turned off before the beating incident took place and that the pack of hundreds of riders came from all over, and many did not know each other.

Read more: http://www.myfoxny.com/story/2363079...#ixzz2hazDwqmz

Six have been arrested.

Never happen in Boston, though.

[Chippertheripper]

That post is from 3 days ago Dana. I know you like to argue, so I'll entertain you.
Unthinkable shmimkable.
Crime happens all over, including in my neighborhood, just ask jc. And didn't you just move to that house a couple years ago? Right?
I'm fairly certain you could've afforded to live wherever, so I don't really know what you're getting at.
That choice was yours.

Either way, this has become a ridiculous conversation.



As for the guy with the supermoto, I'm sure he won't show up in anybody's gopro footage, right? A nice family man like you and I? No way...

[e30addict]

Nearly two weeks later, some bikers are suggesting SUV driver Alexian Lien, knowingly or not, instigated the confrontation off-camera earlier by clipping one of the bikes in a rally on the Henry Hudson Parkway in Manhattan.

Considering these guys swarm around like the pests they are this doesn't really change anything.

Allred said by phone. Mieses, of Lawrence, Mass., didn't see any earlier encounter but got off his motorcycle to defuse the tense situation

Does she mean the tense situation that these guys go out to purposely create in the first place?

he says the whole episode would have ended right there with just a simple sign of respect, such as an apology from the SUV driver. He says the riders tried to calm the situation down and were ready to ride off

Riiiight. And I have a unicorn locked up in my basement. Totally believable.

Someone posted this video earlier in the thread. 1:20 shows the respect these fuckers want.