Squid’s Controversial Aggressive/Defensive Riding Tactic No. 4281A(a)(3)(I)(ii)

[stoinkythepig]

I do this too and it does work. I also sometimes switch to high beam and leave my lights bright until I am through the intersection. I would caution all of you not to go to high beam too late though, you do not want to give the impression you are flashing your lights as an invitation to cut in front of you.

[VinceF2]

Whatever keeps you safe man... I can understand your concept... My only thought would be if they still didn't see you... would your weaving back and forth lessen your reaction time? Probably not... but that was my only concern about your concept...

Personally when approaching an intersection as you've described I will back off the throttle... scan the intersection... attempt to see where the yohoos are looking... and watch the wheels of any car I question... since I will notice the wheel start to move before I would watching the entire car...

This has always worked well for me... but I say do what works for you...

Another plan of attack that I'm sure is obvious to most but I will mention is when simply riding along in traffic... I mimick what the person a few cars ahead is doing rather then the one immediately in front of me... Meaning... if three cars up I see brake lights.... I brake etc... that way I am prepared for what might be ahead... also prepared for the person immediately in front of me to not be paying attention...

I imagine this upsets people behind me sometimes since they probably don't understand why I'm braking and the person in front of me isn't... but luckily I don't give a shit

[Honclfibr]

Vince, while we're sort of on the subject, what's the word on the street about lane splitting in the great state of Massachusetts?

What I mean is, while I realize it is illegal, any idea what your fellow occifers think/do when they see a bike splitting lanes on the highway in heavy traffic? How about in the cities, at stoplights?

I've never lanesplit on the highway, but in heavy stoplight traffic in Boston the temptation overcomes me now and again. Also on Storrow, when it's backed up getting to 93N. I figure if they were gonna pull *everybody* in Boston over who made an occasional illegal maneuver with their vehicle, there wouldn't be many cars on the road. Which, OTOH, would do wonders for parking

[bemused]

Tree Squid / Vince-

those are both techniques I've used for awhile, and found 'em to be effective in ensuring I'm seen-- and opening up a zone around me. not only does this work in slow traffic... but also on 93 / 89 / 128 when some idjit wants to make me a hood ornament, even tho they can't go any faster than the nineteen cars ahead of me are.

be noticed, establish your zone-- to me, those are biggies when riding among the cage-bound sheep.

[VinceF2]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
Vince, while we're sort of on the subject, what's the word on the street about lane splitting in the great state of Massachusetts?

What I mean is, while I realize it is illegal, any idea what your fellow occifers think/do when they see a bike splitting lanes on the highway in heavy traffic? How about in the cities, at stoplights?

I've never lanesplit on the highway, but in heavy stoplight traffic in Boston the temptation overcomes me now and again. Also on Storrow, when it's backed up getting to 93N. I figure if they were gonna pull *everybody* in Boston over who made an occasional illegal maneuver with their vehicle, there wouldn't be many cars on the road. Which, OTOH, would do wonders for parking

To be honest... I dunno Hmmm it hasn't come up in my short carreer yet... I'll have to probe around and see what a consencious is... My only thought would be how it was done... circumstance etc... I could see someone getting pulled for it if done recklessly etc... I'll dig around... see what I can come up with...

[hohum]

Another helpful technique is if you have a european bike alot of them will have a headlight modulator for passing... if your bike doesn't have one, mostly likely you can buy a kit to do it (or euro handgrip controls)

Hold down that little trigger while going through an intersection and it definitely draws attention.

Cheers,
Chris

[Paul_E_D]

If the cops see you lane split, and can easily get to you, you done. Ticket for lanesplitting and recless/driving to endanger if the cop is pissed about it.

[Kham]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
If the cops see you lane split, and can easily get to you, you done. Ticket for lanesplitting and recless/driving to endanger if the cop is pissed about it.

god damn cops!!! i just wanna be first in line at red light. go arrest the real bad guy(s).

[keeena]

I completely agree that the weaving technique makes other drivers take more notice. I think you nailed the reason on the head too - cages will think your a lunatic for riding like that and keep their distance. But hey, whatever works.

I just sit straight up and make sure I'm covering brake and clutch when I hit most intersections. As long as you're making a mental note to do SOMETHING, then you'll be as prepared as possible.

[Suf Daddy]

Squid:

I do that on the highway to enlarge my comfort zone.

Kinda "S" but ...more like defining the box. left then right then left edge etc..................promoting even tire wear? lol

Who knows if its good or entices some punk to "bump" me.


-Suf Daddy

[elaineo]

Originally posted by Paul_E_D
If the cops see you lane split, and can easily get to you, you done. Ticket for lanesplitting and recless/driving to endanger if the cop is pissed about it.

of course the cop will be pissed, he will be stuck in traffic with all the other cars thusly he will not be able to get to you either

be glad there are no motorcycle police officers in new england... they are sneaky!

[bemused]

Originally posted by elaineo
be glad there are no motorcycle police officers in new england... they are sneaky!

um-m-m... maybe there aren't in Cambridge, but there shore are elsewhere, ma'am...

[RedRider]

Defensive Driving 101 - "Advanced Maneuvers"

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[craig]

Originally posted by bemused


um-m-m... maybe there aren't in Cambridge, but there shore are elsewhere, ma'am...

I know some cities have them, but are there motorcycle staties in Mass? I don't think a city bike cop can pull you over for lane splitting on a state road..? but i'm not a lawyer/cop

[Kham]

if not mention yet, get eye contact.

stay away from women driver. fuck almost took me out already.

[jesse_k]

as far as there not being any motorcycle cops, just dont tell 3 of the guys that I ride with, one is a motorcycle cop in Cambridge and the others are boston motorcycle officers.

Jesse

[RedRider]

stay away from women driver.

OK, this one's gonna get me into trouble today... I've now read and/or been told about 3 separate incidents of riders going down in Mass from a vehicle that pulled out right in front of them at an intersection or sidestreet junction - EVEN AFTER MAKING EYE CONTACT!

The perps just happened ot all be women, who all also ran the scene in their SUV or luxury sedans. My brother in law was one of the victims of the 3 diff incidents, and he is a cop.

Is this coincidence or by design down there in Mass?? I would hope to think that the cell phone yapping yuppy dudes are also capable of the intersection "madness," but have not heard it specifically yet... Anyone been run down by an inconsiderate man yet?!

Squid?? What's the expert opinion on this??

[hohum]

/me raises hand

I was run down by a male driver who I thought even made eye contact with me. He was blabbing on the cell phone, trying to "close a deal" and went right through a stop sign, no stop. I saw that he wasn't going to make the stop sign so I applied maximal brakes to try to stop before the intersection he was about to fly through. I came '' close to hauling down from 50 to 0 in enough space, but he clipped my front tire... Guess what he says to the cop when the cop arrives "I didn't even see him, he must have been going too fast" never minding the fact that he blew through the stop sign... luckily the cop saw that he couldn't have hit me where he hit me with the speed he hit me unless he hadn't stopped at the stop sign...

In any case, it ain't just women who ignore the road while driving its equally men...

Cheers,
Chris

[RedRider]

K, that's what I was looking for... thanks Hohum.

In my case, I've had more close calls with women drivers up here in NH (I've been keeping track), some who have even honked at me after I've done nothing wrong!! They were at fault!

I wanted to see if it was a disproportionate occurence or just a matter of coincidence. Considering the amount of times I've been cut off by men while down in Mass, I figured men had to be just as guilty of cutting off bikers down there and running them down. I personally avoid riding my bike in Mass, just on the basis of knowing that drivers are less considerate and more aggressive/ignorant than has been my experience up in NH.

Sounds like it's an equal opportunity thrash-fest on us bikers!!

Hohum, the up side of being crashed into by a man is the fact you can still kick the sh*t out of him after (assuming you aren't dead)!!

[Honclfibr]

Originally posted by Mystery Squid
Given, full attention is rarely ever paid to the task of driving itself, just the bare minimum to get from point A to point B.

Most insurance companies would disagree with you.

It's pretty well established that, statistically, gender plays a large if diminishing role in your likelihood to crash from age 16 up until about age 30, at which point other factors have become more important. Simply put, most men will drive like idiots from age 16 until about age 30, all the while convinced that they are much better drivers than their female counterparts.

But statistics don't lie. We *are* idiots

[stoinkythepig]

Originally posted by RedRider


Considering the amount of times I've been cut off by men while down in Mass, I figured men had to be just as guilty of cutting off bikers down there and running them down. I personally avoid riding my bike in Mass, just on the basis of knowing that drivers are less considerate and more aggressive/ignorant than has been my experience up in NH.

I find people are more considerate of me on my motorcycle in rural MA then they typically are in rural NH. In rural NH, I run into lots of slow moving, rusty, pickup trucks driven by greasy looking guys that could care less if you are behind them and would like to do more than the speed limit-10. Not as many of those guys in MA. I also find pedestrians in MA more pleasant. I've been yelled at several times by pedestrians standing in the street talking to each other on blind corners in NH, even though they really should not be on the traveled way and I was able to easily slow/stop and maneuver around them. People seem less likely to that in MA for some reason. That said, if you compare Raymond NH to Lawrence MA, Raymond wins hands down...

[bigred875]

Originally posted by Honclfibr
Most insurance companies would disagree with you.

It's pretty well established that, statistically, gender plays a large if diminishing role in your likelihood to crash from age 16 up until about age 30, at which point other factors have become more important. Simply put, most men will drive like idiots from age 16 until about age 30, all the while convinced that they are much better drivers than their female counterparts.

But statistics don't lie. We *are* idiots

insurance co also give discounts to teachers....

Just comparing age is not neough infor for me. I want to see how many miles these men and women are driving. For the most part I would say that men have a lot more miles under their belt thus more and experience and more chances for an accidient....

[Kham]

Originally posted by Mystery Squid

Given, full attention is rarely ever paid to the task of driving itself, just the bare minimum to get from point A to point B.

this is true. i know of one.

[RedRider]

I'm thinking it's less a gender thing and more a density thing.

Denser heads and denser traffic in some areas, rather than others causing more carnage...

[bemused]

Originally posted by RedRider
I'm thinking it's less a gender thing and more a density thing.

Denser heads and denser traffic in some areas, rather than others causing more carnage...

well put...