2011 SV650 Classification....

[Fitz]

Received the 2011 rule book in the mail today and noted that they removed the
"NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at
Loudon." from the ultralight superbike class.

So now it's:
Single cylinder, unlimited displacement, unlimited frame
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 375cc
Two stroke, air cooled, unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, air cooled, non-desmodromic valves up to 900cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, desmodromic valves up to 805cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodromic valves, pre-1999 model year, up to 800cc
Three cylinder, air cooled, non-fuel injected, up to 900cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 570cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, 1987-1992 model year, up to 500cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, up to 750cc
Harley Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement

Would the SV650 (645cc's) fall into the bolded line?

I know this was covered in 2009.... but it looks like that clause has been removed for 2011.

Thoughts?

Thanks,
Fitz

[jcbell1007]

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Is this ultralight superbike?

[Fitz]

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Is this ultralight superbike?

Sorry. I clarified in the post.

[OreoGaborio]

Orly?

Sounds like a question for Eric or Wanda. Hopefully Mr Woodcraft himself will chime in on this one.

I might be glad I didn't go with that 1mm overbore

[Kurlon]

As long as your SV isn't bored or stroked, I'd say you're now ULSB legal in LRRS just like you are in other CCS venues.

As worded, 250GP bikes are now ULSB legal as well... thought they were going to be restricted to LW and only 125GP machines allowed in UL?

[Woodcraft]

Loudon is an exception to the rule for ULSB. Nowhere else is there is many LW bikes as there are at Loudon....so CCS threw in SV's to fill the class other places. Our rules will be water cooled, twin cylinder up to 550cc.....eliminating the SV from ULSB.

[Trouble]

The Hawks live another year!

[Fitz]

Loudon is an exception to the rule for ULSB. Nowhere else is there is many LW bikes as there are at Loudon....so CCS threw in SV's to fill the class other places. Our rules will be water cooled, twin cylinder up to 550cc.....eliminating the SV from ULSB.

Thanks for the clarification. Simply trying to get a schedule formed.

Fitz

[OreoGaborio]

Cool. Glad to hear it!

[Doc]

The Hawks live another year!

SV's in ULSB would relagate the hawk to vintage racing. I am very glad it hasn't happened with LRRS yet.

SV's have enough classes to run in. Please keep them out of ULSB.

[SVRACER01]

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A bored out SV400 though......

[6 Fingered Man]

SV's in ULSB would relagate the hawk to vintage racing. I am very glad it hasn't happened with LRRS yet.

SV's have enough classes to run in. Please keep them out of ULSB.

If only the hawk would be legal most vintage racing...

YA, glad for the SV restrictions.

[Doc]

If only the hawk would be legal most vintage racing...

Check the new rules buddy. It is legal

[6 Fingered Man]

Huh, that could be fun... To bad they run on weekdays.

[Kurlon]

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A bored out SV400 though......

I was about to say no to the baby SV noting that it was never sold for the street in the US, but the rules say it just had to be sold for street use anywhere in the world... have at it!

(I have to go back and see if the prior years restricted to US street legal machines or not like I remember.)

[nt650hawk]

SV will not run in an UL classification at Loudon.

[SVRACER01]

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Edit: nevermind

[wheelieman14]

Thanks for the clarification. Simply trying to get a schedule formed.

Fitz

Hey Fitz, Here are the 2011 classes that an SV650 is legal for as an Amateur:

Saturday Race 2: LW SuperBike
Saturday Race 6: LW Grand Prix
Saturday Race 7: Unlimited Grand Prix (bump up class)
Saturday Race 10: MW Grand Prix (bump up class for 12-lap race)

Sunday Race 2: GTL (20-minute race)
Sunday Race 4: SuperTwins (bump up class)
Sunday Race 8: LW SuperSport (SV650 in SuperSport trim)
Sunday Race 10: ThunderBike
Sunday Race 11: MW Production Twins (SV650 requires stock exhaust)

You could still bump up to GTO or GTU, as well as MW & HW SuperBike classes & enter Formula 40 Lites, if you are 40 years old.

Bottomline, is that you have at least 4 classes to be competitive in with SV650 SuperBike as an Amateur or Expert.

If still a Novice, then it looks like these 3 races are available to race SV650 (no bump up classes):
Saturday Race 9: Novice Light Weight Grand Prix
Sunday Race 3: Novice GTL (20-minute race)
Sunday Race 9: Novice Light Weight SuperBike

[mullinsvm]

It seems like you guys say the restriction is only on the SV, guess I can run the EX 650 in ULSB....... right???......

[KB]

It seems like you guys say the restriction is only on the SV, guess I can run the EX 650 in ULSB....... right???......

No Mr Mullin all other bikes but yours and you on it specifically!

KB

[SVRACER01]

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I think the rules are written as:
LC, 2cyl, pre 99 up to 800cc
LC, 2cyl, 99+ up to 550cc

Which actually answers a question I asked a month ago and means that EX500s would be legal for ULSB.

["Dangerous" Dan K]

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I think the rules are written as:
LC, 2cyl, pre 99 up to 800cc
LC, 2cyl, 99+ up to 550cc

Which actually answers a question I asked a month ago and means that EX500s would be legal for ULSB.

Sorry Ox, I missed that original Q. Apparently Kurlon did too.

The 500lb EX500 has always been considered an UL, CCS and LRRS. The only place it really matters is the new AM threshold times, since it's not competitive anywhere else. I recall a REALLY built EX (frame mods, ZX6 front end, built motor, lighter wheels, etc) for sale on WERA lately. #'s were on the bike, based on that you either can't turn an EX500 into a competitive SV racing machine, or the rider sucked. Based on his expert plates, I'm assuming the former.

[Kurlon]

The old rules, as written would only allow pre 99 LC twins of 650cc to 800cc, making stock Hawks and EX500s illegal. The rules as interpreted allowed EX500s and Hawks up to 800cc. Newer EX500s would be grandfathered in based on initial year of production and no major changes since. A 2007 EX500 still counts as a 1987 machine when you get nitty gritty as there were no massive changes to the model. Just like GS500Es and Fs are all based on 89 model year, the start of production. That also means they get some pretty nice SS breaks. It was also why some additional clarifications were needed to prevent 748s from being ULSB legal as it started production in 1994...

2009 - 748's legal, woohoo! GP bikes are excluded from ALL SB by 6.2.1.A

ULTRA-LIGHT SUPERBIKE (Novice, Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Single cylinder, unlimited displacement, unlimited frame
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 375cc
Two stroke, air cooled, unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, air cooled, non-desmodromic valves up to 900cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, desmodromic valves, up to 805cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1999 model year, up to 800cc
Three cylinder, air cooled, non-fuel injected, up to 900cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 570cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, 1987 to 1992 model year, up to 500cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, up to 750cc
Harley-Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement
Note: Twin cylinder, Liquid cooled up to 650 cc are excluded from the
Ultralight class at Loudon

2010 - D'oh! Note the specification of non-desmo, bastards... no more ULSB 748. GP bikes are still excluded from SB by 6.2.1.A, but now they also are blocked in the subclass descriptions?

ULTRA-LIGHTWEIGHT SUPERBIKE (Novice, Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Single cylinder, unlimited displacement, unlimited frame
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 375cc
Two stroke, air cooled, unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, air cooled, non-desmodromic valves up to 900cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, desmodromic valves, up to 805cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 650cc.
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year,up to 800cc
Three cylinder, air cooled, non-fuel injected, up to 900cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 570cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, 1987 to 1992 model year, up to 500cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, up to 750cc
Harley-Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement
Note: Two stroke GP machines such as TZ 125 and RS 125 etc.
are excluded from Ulytralight Superbike.
NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at
Loudon.

GP machines are again restricted from SB across the board by a global rule 10.c.i but CCS had announced 125GP machines would be ULSB legal... I'll have to snag a CCS book to see how it differs...

ULTRA-LIGHT WEIGHT SUPERBIKE (Novice, Amateur & Expert Divisions)
Single cylinder, unlimited displacement, unlimited frame
Two stroke, liquid cooled, up to 375cc
Two stroke, air cooled, unlimited displacement
Twin cylinder, air cooled, non-desmodromic valves up to 900cc
Twin cylinder, air cooled, desmodromic valves, up to 805cc
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, up to 550cc.
Twin cylinder, liquid cooled, non-desmodronic valves,
pre-1999 model year, up to 800cc
Three cylinder, air cooled, non-fuel injected, up to 900cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, pre-1987 model year, up to 570cc
Four cylinder, liquid cooled, 1987 to 1992 model year, up to 500cc
Four cylinder, air cooled, up to 750cc
Harley-Davidson Sportsters of unlimited displacement
Note: Two stroke GP machines such as TZ 125 and RS 125 etc.
are excluded from Ultra Light Superbike.
NOTE: Twin cylinder, liquid cooled up to 650cc are excluded from this class at Loudon

The 2011 rules still need cleanup, as written LC twins up to 650cc of any age/type/etc are excluded which knocks out stock Hawks, EX500s unless WAY over built, etc. Given the base LC restriction of 550cc, and only pre 99's sans desmo being allowed over, the specific restriction of LC up to 650cc isn't needed to keep SVs/etc out, it just muddies the rules up for no reason. I'll do a writeup to LRRS and see if they are up for posting a correction or not.

[Kurlon]

I'm sure LRRS thinks I'm an overly picky nutter now...

["Dangerous" Dan K]

I'm sure LRRS thinks I'm an overly picky nutter now...

NOW?!