When should you start giving advice?

[Kitt]

I like the first one.

I can FEEL that it is the best advice, I can THINK I KNOW the best advice. But what puts me in the position to give the advice? If I have less experience than those around me should I be opening my big mouth?

If somebody "Thinks/Knows" they have the best advice, and it's in their personality, they will try to give it.

I usually give most people the curtesy of listening, and I filter out what I think is total BS. ie, people running 27's giving me advice about getting around the track, or the guy at work with the 1992 corolla giving me financial investment advice.

[The Crashing Tomato]

I think Doc is just looking for validation for when he can tell people to shut up.

u DOC

[DerekSBelanger]

2. When you feel like you can give what you KNOW is the best advice.

Yeah, this one is tough because - when you think you know what’s best - that’s a little bit similar to thinking you have nothing else to learn about that subject.

I find good advice often comes as the explanation of a relationship between more than one subjects. This means the answer goes something like:

"Depends. If A is like this, then B is like that - because A affects B this way..."

[RyanNicholson]

2 rules...

1. When you are asked.
2. When you feel like you can give what you KNOW is the best advice.

1. I agree, if you're asked for advice then that person believes you have knowledge they can benefit from. If they benefit from it, you've done well by giving that advice.

2. I completely disagree with that statement. If you feel like you know the definitive best advice no questions asked... you won't make much of an instructor.

Advice is an opinion about what could or should be done about something. Someone running 22's can ask someone running 20's how they go through turn 3 and learn from it. Just because someone running 12's might have different insight on the subject, doesn't mean its bad advice.

[Paul_E_D]

I give too much advice, so here's a little more:

Having taught languages for 10 years, I know that speaking a language well, understanding the rules etc. is only a small part of teaching. BUT if you don't have that expertise, you're just not going to get the job done no matter what techniques you use.

In RACING, I do find experience and speed are both needed for someone to be a good teacher. If you have just one, or the other, you're just not the best man/woman for the job IMO.

[catamount]

Muahaha. I think I know why you made this thread.

[markbvt]

Muahaha. I think I know why you made this thread.

--mark

[Honclfibr]

I'm afraid I don't feel qualified to advise you on when to give advice.

[The Crashing Tomato]

Mark &
Catamount

Heyyyy wait a min ..... what makes you guys such experts

[SVRACER01]

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If someone is asking for your advice on something then they obviously feel that you are knowlegable enough to give them the answers that they desire.
if a question arises that you dont know the answer to, then dont answer it.
i give opinions/suggestions on body position because that is something i feel i know about and it advice that is reiterated by others and is factual....not opinion

[DerekSBelanger]

if a question arises that you dont know the answer to, then dont answer it.

While many people don’t take this advice...I was riding with Pitinger5 at a Boston Moto track day and whenever I asked him questions he didn’t know the answer to he just said "I don’t know". *true*

He must have said “I don’t know a thousand times that day. *joke*

[Pittenger5]

I never claim to be smart.

[Doc]

I think Doc is just looking for validation for when he can tell people to shut up.

SHUDDAP!!!

[Doc]

In RACING, I do find experience and speed are both needed for someone to be a good teacher. If you have just one, or the other, you're just not the best man/woman for the job IMO.

But what if you have neither?

[Doc]

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If someone is asking for your advice on something then they obviously feel that you are knowlegable enough to give them the answers that they desire.
if a question arises that you dont know the answer to, then dont answer it.
i give opinions/suggestions on body position because that is something i feel i know about and it advice that is reiterated by others and is factual....not opinion

How about just spewing advice when it isn't asked for? When you might not have the knowledge but you think you do?

All the advice I have ever gotten from you Oxx has worked. ("Go fuck yourself" included! )

[CBR929RE]

I do not consider myself fast by any means but its all in comparison. My friends tell me I look fast in pictures and I say they need to come out and watch someday and see the really fast guys. Just because you aren't blazingly fast doesn't mean you can't give advice to someone. hell I could be better in one turn than someone faster than me overall but still be able to give a pointer.

I've given some advice to slower people and told them to go out and try it. then I follow them to see if they try and ask how it felt later. If it doesn't work for them try to give advice on who they can go ask for some more advice that might benefit them.

Remember there's always someone who knows more than you do.

[a13x]

In RACING, I do find experience and speed are both needed for someone to be a good teacher. If you have just one, or the other, you're just not the best man/woman for the job IMO.

+1

[Doc]

Just because you aren't blazingly fast doesn't mean you can't give advice to someone. hell I could be better in one turn than someone faster than me overall but still be able to give a pointer.

We do that all the time in the pits. "Hey I was catching you in 3 but you were pulling me on the exits, you can brake later in 3, How do I get a better drive outta the corners?"

Conversely just because you THINK you are fast doesn't mean you SHOULD be giving advice to someone. Right?

[catamount]

Hey Doc, cut to the chase.

[Doc]

Hey Doc, cut to the chase.

No chase.... Just playing devils advocate to spur discussion.

[catamount]

Just playing devils advocate to spur discussion.

[The Crashing Tomato]

Pffft Doc never claimed to be an expert just wanted to know how to act like one ...... wait ... what

[Kitt]

1. I agree, if you're asked for advice then that person believes you have knowledge they can benefit from. If they benefit from it, you've done well by giving that advice.

2. I completely disagree with that statement. If you feel like you know the definitive best advice no questions asked... you won't make much of an instructor.

Advice is an opinion about what could or should be done about something. Someone running 22's can ask someone running 20's how they go through turn 3 and learn from it. Just because someone running 12's might have different insight on the subject, doesn't mean its bad advice.

i was hinting at, advise when asked...

[CEO]

Cmon Doc clearly you've got someone/thing in mind, might as well man up and call them out! I'm curious.


Anyways... filtering advice like Kitt said has been something very important for me in racing... always take into account where the advice is coming from. People love to benchrace.

That being said pretty much any racer, novice through expert, has had the experience and skills to advise a street rider or track day rider, except for a couple really quick TD guys, on general techniques, lines, strong/weak points, etc... IMO.
The question is, can they relay the information in a helpful and easy to understand manner? And for the much slower folks, can they give them the key points they need to work on first before worrying about the minutiae, so as not to overload their brains? etc, etc..

[Pittenger5]

Anyways... filtering advice like Kitt said has been something very important for me in racing... always take into account where the advice is coming from. People love to benchrace.

I believe it was Denno that said, "Ive had 20 minute conversations with people knowing I was not listening to a word they say"