NHMS - what would you change

[cdovego]

its not a safety impact device. its a safety removal device.

It has the potential to reduce the effect of the safety system built in to my Suomys. Ask me at the track, conversation for another day/thread.

[nhbubba]

...conversation for another day/thread.

That thread exists already, fyi..

[Jim]

I just noticed that in the rule book yesterday, wtf is an eject system? Do I really have to add safety to a helmet that would pass AMA tech?

Thought I told you about the Eject system yesterday. It's $60 and you can buy it from the trackside vendor or online.

[cdovego]

Thought I told you about the Eject system yesterday. It's $60 and you can buy it from the trackside vendor or online.

True story, I ordered one. Thank you.

[butcher bergs]

Do I really have to add safety to a helmet that would pass AMA tech?

A helmet removal system is merely recommened, not mandated in AMAPro roadracing specifically.

Not sure if the dirtbikes require it. Someone else can do that foot work.

3.26 Rider Apparel
a. Helmet
i. Riders must wear helmets at all times when riding on track.
ii. Helmets must be of the full face type.
iii. The helmet must conform to one of the following
recognized standards and have a label affixed certifying its
approval.
BSI: 6658 Type A
USA: Snell M2010
United Nations: Regulation ECE 22.05 P’
Japan: JIS 8133:2007
iv. It is recommended that all helmets used in competition be
equipped with a commercially manufactured emergency
helmet removal device such as the Hats Off device.

EDIT:Link to AMAPro roadracing 2013 rulebook

[MHenry600]

A helmet removal system is merely recommened, not mandated in AMAPro roadracing specifically.

I think you miss understood him. I read that as his helmet already passes AMA tech, so why does he have to add "features" to it in order to pass a club level tech like LRRS.

[butcher bergs]

EDIT: Correction. You are absolutely right.

[Kurlon]

I think you miss understood him. I read that as his helmet already passes AMA tech, so why does he have to add "features" to it in order to pass a club level tech like LRRS.

Generally speaking, club level tech tends to be stricter on safety items compared to national or world level series. Case in point, find the safety wire in these pics:

http://autoimagesize.com/wp-content/...-wallpaper.jpg

http://gallery.mvagusta.net/image_db...32888_full.jpg

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/wp-c...-racing-13.jpg

I would fully expect an AMA bike to fail tech right off the truck if rolled through at an LRRS, WERA or other club events.

[Jim]

I would fully expect an AMA bike to fail tech right off the truck if rolled through at an LRRS, WERA or other club events.

WERA and LRRS yes. not CCS

[Kurlon]

WERA and LRRS yes. not CCS

CCS wouldn't notice a complete lack of safety wiring on things like calipers, axles, etc?

[Jim]

CCS wouldn't notice a complete lack of safety wiring on things like calipers, axles, etc?

Mister Technical Rulebook Person doesnt know the CCS rulebook?

like rules 5.2.13 and 5.2.16

[Kurlon]

Mister Technical Rulebook Person doesnt know the CCS rulebook?

I haven't poured through CCS's wiring requirements before, you're correct, brakes and axles don't need to be wired?! I do see the normal oil fill/filters/drain requirement but nothing about axles, brakes, pinch bolts, etc. Of course, if you REALLY want strict rules, I should have referenced USCRA, they want throttle cables wired, banjo bolts, etc.

Still floored that CCS's tech is that light.

[Jim]

CCS only requires oil filter, drain plug, and filler cap. that's all

[soofle616]

I had a big long rant about the legends written out but thought better of it. I'll reduce it to this, several mentions of bellypans or other fluid retention requirements have come up in this thread and I'm curious what the track has said about that. I am HUGELY thankful to Eric and anyone else that is working towards improving safety for everyone, this just seems like a relatively easy and cost free (at least for the track) way to improve things a bit.

For what it's worth I don't have a problem with them being there at "our" events. They're fun to watch and my kids definitely get a kick out of them. I just don't appreciate when an issue with their race causes the entire day of motorcycle racing to get shortened as happened last season.

[Kurlon]

As noted earlier in the thread I believe, the two objections cited to a bellypan on legends cars were:

1) The design and layout of the cars are such that bellypans wouldn't / couldn't be effective.

2) NHMS doesn't want to impose a rule that would only apply to this track.

[tsorfas]

Guys the entire last year there was only ONE case where a belly pan would have been any form of help, if any.

Ya it put us several hours behind but from my understanding (which could be very wrong) it's not as often to make it a requirement.

I personally met a lot of the legend car racers and their families last year and we even partied with a few of them. Good crew and I really enjoy watching them race.

[GingahNinjah]

Guys the entire last year there was only ONE case where a belly pan would have been any form of help, if any.

Ya it put us several hours behind but from my understanding (which could be very wrong) it's not as often to make it a requirement.

I personally met a lot of the legend car racers and their families last year and we even partied with a few of them. Good crew and I really enjoy watching them race.

That was a good night of partying and it was really cool of them to let us tour that Huge hauler of theirs!!!

[wiggeywackyo]

2) NHMS doesn't want to impose a rule that would only apply to this track.

That's funny, isn't the EJECT system an NHMS only thing?

I'm not hatin' on the Legends because as has been said, they are good people and are there to have fun just like us.

[Jim]

how do you guys feel about the combined groups for the 1st round of practice?

i like the shorter 1st session since it's so cold, and really like the legend cars going out before us.
but my round 7 incident in round 1 practice has me re-thinking about combining AM and EX practice.

[tsorfas]

Your incident is also an exception to the rule. Typically experts are doing very clean and secured passes.
Between an Ex and AM, the EX should be the ones that wouldn't like combined practices if anything.

[Jim]

Your incident is also an exception to the rule.

say that to my torn rotator cuff that finished physical therapy 2 weeks ago

[MHenry600]

re-thinking about combining AM and EX practice.

They run races with combined AM and EX, that's different how? If anything I would think the actual races would be worse as you have guys battle for position. In practice if you lose a little in one corner stuck behind an AM you're not going to lose the race.

Not saying having a torn rotator cuff doesn't suck, and to be honest I don't remember the exact situation off the top of my head. Like you said, the morning session are a bit cooler and gives people a chance to loosen up. The second sessions are split. I think it's set up pretty well myself.

[cdovego]

2) NHMS doesn't want to impose a rule that would only apply to this track.

haha

[Jim]

They run races with combined AM and EX, that's different how? If anything I would think the actual races would be worse as you have guys battle for position. In practice if you lose a little in one corner stuck behind an AM you're not going to lose the race.

well for starters, experts dont catch up in a race till lap 6+. i got hit on the standing yellow lap & was done for the day. I tend to ride much slower in practice because i'm trying different things out. so their lines and my lines (at least on session 1) might be very different.

[Kurlon]

That's funny, isn't the EJECT system an NHMS only thing?

LRRS is a one track series. Legends Cars is a US wide series, and the majority of the people participating run at lots and lots and lots of tracks. They make Jim look like a shut in hermit.