NH riders new noise law:

[Garandman]

Well I'm not trying to make waves here and I'm not trying to annoy anyone while on my bike. With that said it has been my personal experiance that loud exhaust is the best way to get people to pay attention to you driving cars. Wearing bright colors and having an air horn is kinda nerdy in my personal opinion

Yes, and there are many people who have thought so for many years. So you would think that somewhere, at some time, there had been a safety study that proved the point. There isn't.

Conspicuity has been proven to decrease accidents, so make your choice: alienate motorists to no effect, or look "nerdy."

[RandyO]

Well on the topic of loud pipes saving lives I can attest that people definitely pay more attention to you when you are running a straight system or louder set up.

I agree somewhat, I like NH law the way it is,

I observation is that with loud exaust, I had fewer tailgaters,

I also disagree with posters that think NH doesn't enforce the current law, bout the only bikes I've seen with straight pipes are customs with few exceptions, customs meaning a custom made frame with an S&S engine and chrome wheels, not bikes that came off the HD assembly line

my SV barely passes inspection with V&H system never repacked in over 100k, its 105db@ 2800rpm but at 6000rp,, its prolly 140db, I never had any complaints about it being loud except when I wanted it to be loud by downshifting a gear or 2, suddenly the car that is tailgating isn't anymore

[soloithtz]

I am sure that senator will vote for the new law (thats a no brainer and you seem to be a master of stating the obvious by the way). Perhaps when I have a few more "miles under my belt" I will grow out of the loud thing. At least when you were my age you had the option to make your bike loud, the lawmakers (most of them older folk like yourself) are trying to infringe on our rights ie control yet another part of our freedom. If passed we will not have a choice its an example of the once young now old, cranky, and jealous people trying to take away another freedom of ours. Its a pissa that the people who make all of these laws are old, if our lawmakers were balanced in age it would be more of an equal no bias decision

[soloithtz]

Let me set up a scenerio for you:
As far as the choice I am making I plan on keeping my bike loud and when needed get the attention of someone who isn't paying attention changing lanes to potentially save myself from an accident as a result of them not seeing a me beside them. I am supporting your idea of lighting with my 25K HIDs so that should make you feel a little better.

Or I guess I could have a quiet bike and dress like a clown and hope that idiot merging sees my attire

[G21forme]

You're an idiot

[sdavid]

Since most "old cranky" pay more in property taxes more concern is given to their opinion regarding quiet neighbourhoods.

[Garandman]

Just checked OP's profile. GIXXAH!

I am sure that senator will vote for the new law (thats a no brainer and you seem to be a master of stating the obvious by the way). Perhaps when I have a few more "miles under my belt" I will grow out of the loud thing. At least when you were my age you had the option to make your bike loud, the lawmakers (most of them older folk like yourself) are trying to infringe on our rights ie control yet another part of our freedom. If passed we will not have a choice its an example of the once young now old, cranky, and jealous people trying to take away another freedom of ours. Its a pissa that the people who make all of these laws are old, if our lawmakers were balanced in age it would be more of an equal no bias decision

So, when do you plan to run for state rep? My buddy repped North Hampton at age 25. Step up.

FWIW when I was your age I didn't like loud bikes either. Because I already had Tinnitus from tank cannons (which will permanently damage your hearing if unprotected less than 500 meters away) and didn't want to lose any more hearing than I already had.

Know that hissing in your ears after a ride? Some day it's not going to go away. 106dB is loud as hell.

[Stromper]

I think Buses are 107, jets like 130, leo sirens ?

92 db I beleieve is the EPA number. The number they have to rubber coat crap to meet.

I took off the intake muffler I am now probably illegal
with a stock Vstrom

Lawyers are to make lawyers money, let leos suck more money from tourists etc.

Get you peasants used to taking orders... Republic .. stupid idea

[nhbubba]

Just checked OP's profile. GIXXAH!

Not just a gixxah:

I'm running an 08 gixxer 1K with a straight pipe and a PCIII with a custom map tuned for the open set up

Jealous indeed.

[G21forme]

Since most "old cranky" pay more in property taxes more concern is given to their opinion regarding quiet neighbourhoods.

Damn brother I didn't know you still had a bike ?

[NobodySpecific]

I am sure that senator will vote for the new law (thats a no brainer and you seem to be a master of stating the obvious by the way). Perhaps when I have a few more "miles under my belt" I will grow out of the loud thing. At least when you were my age you had the option to make your bike loud, the lawmakers (most of them older folk like yourself) are trying to infringe on our rights ie control yet another part of our freedom. If passed we will not have a choice its an example of the once young now old, cranky, and jealous people trying to take away another freedom of ours. Its a pissa that the people who make all of these laws are old, if our lawmakers were balanced in age it would be more of an equal no bias decision

You don't have the right to make as much noise as you want, so I fail to see how this infringes on your rights.

[Wanderer]

Let me set up a scenerio for you:
As far as the choice I am making I plan on keeping my bike loud and when needed get the attention of someone who isn't paying attention changing lanes to potentially save myself from an accident as a result of them not seeing a me beside them. I am supporting your idea of lighting with my 25K HIDs so that should make you feel a little better.

Or I guess I could have a quiet bike and dress like a clown and hope that idiot merging sees my attire

Situational awareness. Creating a bubble of time and space around yourself and being prepared for idiots, and having time to react will save your ass a million times more frequently than being loud will.

Get hold of Roadcraft: http://www.amazon.com/Motorcycle-Roa...2006421&sr=8-3 and apply the principles in there.
If there are any advanced riding courses I'd advise those too, but I'm not aware of any in NH/MA that focus on on-road tuition and improvement (non closed-course).

[Stromper]

92....88....84...80...76...70............

[sdavid]

Damn brother I didn't know you still had a bike ?

After the Breva burned I picked up a 650 Ninja. Rode it to Deal's Gap last July.

[timmyho414]

The law was change because the LE claimed they could not enforce the current law for a few reasons.

1. It required the Officers had a method of testing RPM. cost, they would no longer need this with the proposed Bill
2. Decibel meter. cost but they will sill need it.
3. At least 2 Officer to conduct the test. cost, they would only need one if the Bill passes
4. The test was based(not in the actual law) on an off road test which require about a 30ft open area to be performed. Appearntly lawyers love that part. The new one is 8 ft.

The proposed standard J2825 was developed with the AMA.

Many motorcycles were test and it was found that most bikes with A/M exhaust pass, open piped/drag pipes don't. I have a list of a few I tested on a different computer.

This is about a fixing a law that did not work to keep the "OEM exhaust only" people off our back, not trying to ruin our fun.

[Stromper]

Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin

Another Lawyer based stupid attempt to quantify hard to quanitfy things that result in only $$$ for lawyers and their ilk. Which of course is the only real reason for all current legislation.

[RandyO]

The law was change because the LE claimed they could not enforce the current law for a few reasons.

1. It required the Officers had a method of testing RPM. cost, they would no longer need this with the proposed Bill
2. Decibel meter. cost but they will sill need it.
3. At least 2 Officer to conduct the test. cost, they would only need one if the Bill passes
4. The test was based(not in the actual law) on an off road test which require about a 30ft open area to be performed. Appearntly lawyers love that part. The new one is 8 ft.

The proposed standard J2825 was developed with the AMA.

Many motorcycles were test and it was found that most bikes with A/M exhaust pass, open piped/drag pipes don't. I have a list of a few I tested on a different computer.

This is about a fixing a law that did not work to keep the "OEM exhaust only" people off our back, not trying to ruin our fun.

fwiw its not up to regular patrol LEOs to enforce inspection laws, they are not qualified

thats what we got annual safety inspection for and safety patrol that have no problem testing & enforcing the existing law

railroaded again

[timmyho414]

That's the 3rd time I hit the reply to threads and deleted my post.
Lest see. I have my State Inspector license. It the guys who remove their baffles AFTER they get their sticker and ride like jerks at 2am that the LEO need to be able to test. If they can hold a microphone 20" away on a 45deg. angle and read an digital display they are qualified to conduct this test.

Here are some bikes I tested...plus a Mustang for reference sake.

Bike all with A/M mufflers.........@idle / proposed limit is 92db.
01 Ducati M900.........................86 / pass
unknown..................................89 / pass
unknown..................................90 / pass
Ducati 999R/full race exhaust......94 / fail
Sportster 883 S&S 2-2 w/baffle...88 / pass

Bike all with A/M muffler.........@idle /
Yamaha FJR1300.....................88 / pass
Aprilia RSV4...........................89 / pass
76 CB550F 4-1 Kurker?.............80 / pass
08 R6 Stock...........................84 / pass
06 GSX-R custom 6"shorty w/baffle 80 / pass
03 Mustang GT w/flowmasters...71 / cars are not tested because they are not suppose to be modified

I'm all for enforcing the current law before changing it. I have written the Transportation 3 of the last 4 years about similar Bills stating such. I even started a thread here about THIS Bill.http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...sts-noise.html
See for your self how that went.

This will be easier for Inspection Stations and LEO. It doesn't change the level that much and will likely not affect anyone with a muffler. Maybe that SV650 that has never had it's muffler repack will have to buy some rivets and packing, but I think that is a racebike anyway. This is much better then what some have been pushing for. I think if you really look into it you would see it not a bad thing.

[Stromper]

Not sure what your numbers mean seems a lot are over 92 if thats what your saying

[timmyho414]

Sorry, I tried to line everything up but it keep coming out like that. I'll try to clean it up.

The first column is at idle(purposed standard) , the second column is at the specified RPM(current law of 106db)*deleted to clean it up*. There was only one bike that tested over 92db at idle and it was the 999r w/full race exhaust.

[bbhzx10]

Well on the topic of loud pipes saving lives I can attest that people definitely pay more attention to you when you are running a straight system or louder set up.

On the same topic:
If I hear a bike coming down the street I'm on, or pulling onto, I'm getting in front of it. Not sure how that makes anyone feel safer, don't particularly care either. Loud pipes are stupid. Try not to scratch my tailgate when the chrome tribal rotor doesn't stop the bike quick enough. And would the clowns on the straight piped Harleys turn the damn radio down, I can't stand Eric Clapton and they can't hear it anyway.

[nhbubba]

That's the thing about loud pipes, most of the sound is directed behind the bike, not at the rider. They hear the Clapton just fine... okay, they hear the Clapton reasonably well. It's the rest of us that suffer.

But wholeyshitdotheylookcool!

[mzdagrl]

The law was change because the LE claimed they could not enforce the current law for a few reasons.

1. It required the Officers had a method of testing RPM. cost, they would no longer need this with the proposed Bill
2. Decibel meter. cost but they will sill need it.
3. At least 2 Officer to conduct the test. cost, they would only need one if the Bill passes
4. The test was based(not in the actual law) on an off road test which require about a 30ft open area to be performed. Appearntly lawyers love that part. The new one is 8 ft.

The proposed standard J2825 was developed with the AMA.

Many motorcycles were test and it was found that most bikes with A/M exhaust pass, open piped/drag pipes don't. I have a list of a few I tested on a different computer.

FWIW, I pass with my aftermarket exhaust in the current system. It is close, but it passes. This sounds like it might actually be a little more lenient in a lot of cases, and if it makes straight pipes tougher to get on the street, I am happy. I am all for making a bike sound good with an A/M exhaust, but the whole "loud pipes save lives" bs is just that.

[xsiliconkid]

another data point re db limit.
At NHMS the limit is 96db ( non Nascar events - they get a waiver), their rule is written like the law, half throttle 20' at a 45 degree and

The track sometimes does a check at the start finish line from the flagger station.. pointing the db meter straight across the track.....not a true test but close enough. Bikes run close to the outside wall 60' away but at full throttle. I know because I have tested for the track. I must admit over the past 3 or 4 years thay have not been as religious about testing etc...but it will only take a local neighbor to complain and all the testing will come back.