My crash going in turn 3 last round. Open for criticism and helpful advice

[Roland]

Seems like Woodcraft would be able to hook you up with a cover... They have lot's of knowledge here...

If you can wait for a winter project I could make something that works from you old cover. Providing that the bolt holes are intact enough to measure...
Probably be a 250-300 dollar one off part.

woodcraft is a no go for my bike. If me and Mark cant fix something for it i will give you a shot out Thanks

[Roland]

I talked to Eric about this, it's not easy, but luckily at work we have a fancy CMM that I setup for the inspection guys, so if I can get a good example of a stock cover I'll make a billet one. I don't get to do much pure engineering anymore, so I relish the opportunity for a challenge.

Ill be taking off the stock one and handing it to you shortly! Thanks Mark

[Roland]

but can you bolt a cover on over the stock one? much simpler design and still offers better protection than nothing
a carbon cover would be easier to make since a mold can be made right off the stock cover. hell if someone has a vacuumform and some prepreg cf it'd be real easy.

I've been thinking about this option and looking into it. Im not too fond of the fiberglass option only because it may get me past inspection but if bike goes down i don't see it stoping the engine cover from getting ripped up and leaking oil over track. don't want to pass inspection just to ruin the day for other racers if i go down and leave an oil trail for the them to wipe out on. but carbon fiber if done right might provide some decent added protection. Thanks

[Roland]

Dude, Eric isn't doing it, he said he'd charge like 2 grand for a single cover if he had to do a one off. He is a way better business man than I am

Roland is a team mate, so I'll do it for him (provided he wants to race that bike still)

I'm going to CMM and 3D scan the stock one, then model, CAM and cut the billet one (I'll probably make 4-5 because once I have the machine setup why not, the metal is cheap. )

And as I understand it, his engine case was dragging already. I don't think we have the clearance to put a cover over the cover or I'd go that route.

Yes Mark, i want her set up to race. I don't plan on racing her at LRRS next year maybe a few track days, but i Just love her! She feels so good under me (sounds like porn cause racing feels like porn lol) with that i would love to take her to NJMP for a couple of race weekend next year and with Thomson opening next year to bikes i want to have her there as well. I plan on getting an sv for learning more safer, and for racing LRRS but i am in love with my old zx9r. she will be on the track again one day. and if i get good enough one day i would probably race her again at Loudon. but right now with Loudon's lay out and my skill level she is too dangerous for ME to race at London. Too powerful for my skill level, but we all know I'm a Knuckle head. so don't be too surprised if i don't find an sv i can afford already set up, i may be stupid enough to try her again next year. I want an SV but i have to go where my finances take me partner.

[CBR929RE]

I've been thinking about this option and looking into it. Im not too fond of the fiberglass option only because it may get me past inspection but if bike goes down i don't see it stoping the engine cover from getting ripped up and leaking oil over track. don't want to pass inspection just to ruin the day for other racers if i go down and leave an oil trail for the them to wipe out on. but carbon fiber if done right might provide some decent added protection. Thanks

who said anything about fiberglass. my first thought was an aluminum cover over the stock but Mark said there isn't much room. second is carbon fiber, much stronger than fiberglass and should solve the clearance issue. but if mark is making you a full new metal one that's the way to go.

[Roland]

There was a comment right above your post from another forum member suggesting fiberglass over stock cover. In my comment I was just addressing both your reply and theirs.

[Kurlon]

I was the one suggesting fiberglass. The idea with an ablative cover isn't that it's going to strengthen the cover underneath. It acts as a sacrificial pad absorbing the primary impact and shredding during the slide to save the cover behind it. Make it thick and in layers. If you can get your hands on carbon fiber or even better kevlar weave awesome, but those aren't cheap. Given you've got access to a machinist who can crank you out something out of aluminum, that sounds like the best route, if you didn't fiberglass works.

[timmyho414]

...i'm not selling my baby (zx9r) she is getting re restored for the street and occasional track day. just had her so long i don't want to get rid of her and she is a rare bike to see around. but you are right she is just to powerful for ME on the track even with the proper suspension upgrades. The R6 is going to be a hard sell but I'm planning on just saving as much as i can over the winter and getting a set up sv next season.

I can understand not wanting to sell it, I won't sell my first bike either.

I really think an SV would be good. I started on my 748 which had 87 whp, about the same power/weight as an SV. It wasn't so fast that it made me nervous to open the throttle like my 749 does. Because I was racing it against 600 I had to get better a corner speed but didn't have to worry about it spitting me off.

[Roland]

I was the one suggesting fiberglass. The idea with an ablative cover isn't that it's going to strengthen the cover underneath. It acts as a sacrificial pad absorbing the primary impact and shredding during the slide to save the cover behind it. Make it thick and in layers. If you can get your hands on carbon fiber or even better kevlar weave awesome, but those aren't cheap. Given you've got access to a machinist who can crank you out something out of aluminum, that sounds like the best route, if you didn't fiberglass works.

Thanks for the info! Good to Know!

[Roland]

Thank you all for your help on this issue. Im convinced i found what was 70% the cause of my crash. I was going over some of the John Owens photos from the prior track day and in this photo and a few other it looks like my forks were definitely bottoming out. (Zoom in to front wheel fender and upper fairing) This photo is in turn 12 or 1a (can't tell from photo) and as you all can see my fender is right up against my upper fairing. In neither of these turns am i ever hard on the brakes. My thoughts: if its getting that far on less intense corners i'm almost positive it was over the limit in 3 where i am definitely hard on the brakes almost to the apex. Thanks all again.

[Jim]

easy fix: don't do that again.
silly novice

[Roland]

easy fix: don't do that again.
silly novice

I was wondering when you was going to tell me to "shut up silly novice" Like you do to all other novices! Seeing i only got the infamous Eric Wood quote from you "Just don't do it again" I'm beginning to think you like me! lol

[Woodcraft]

Roland - the SV is a good plan. You'll have fun on one of those for sure.

[Roland]

Roland - the SV is a good plan. You'll have fun on one of those for sure.

Thanks Eric. For that, and all of the other help you and the rest of the Penguin crew have given me this past year! An SV is the Plan! I'm going to listen to you, Danna, Tim and Mark on this one for sure and save up for one over the winter.

[carsick]

SV is a girl's bike. Keep up like this and you'll be on a 125 soon.

[Roland]

SV is a girl's bike. Keep up like this and you'll be on a 125 soon.

LOL! Well next season hopefully ill be racing my girls bike, right beside yours!

[Larry]

Don't discount the new 300 class! I bet it will be more fun to watch and compete in then most other classes!

[MarkMarine]

SV is a girl's bike. Keep up like this and you'll be on a 125 soon.

I'd love to have a 125. Everything is roll speed, and your body is such a huge % of the weight you can't ever slack on body position, you're fast on that and you can rip on the next bike up.