Lt. Wt. twin VS. Middle Wt. I-4???

[Pittenger5]

Hey DB, what's it like to still be slower than a really old guy?

Youre just experienced Degsy! Its not a bad thing, dont look at it as OLD, just experienced.

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

dammit - I wanna race an 848

Me too, That would most likely make me go back to MW.

Off topic (sort of) I crashed both MW and UL and LW Bikes and never got Hurt on the MW only the little bikes

[Degsy]

I have raced just about every class there is at some time or other.

Coolest - big i4 bikes
most fun - motaahhhd

[CEO]

I say you should race whatever the f@#k you want.

It will still be one of the coolest things you will ever do.

Probably the most sensible comment in here.

[Kitt]

Probably the most sensible comment in here.

next to this one...

too bad the ceo action figure would be actual size

[catahoulabuldog]

I'm going to try racing the 600 because its what I have in the garage.

I like the power of it, and its fun to ride. I am sure that at my squid level I'd get that same rush from an sv, which might better suit my age range from what I just read?

[a13x]

I haven't raced both at Loudon but I have tossed a 600RR, R6, and 1098 around Loudon a few times

I haven't ever raced a MW bike competitively but I have put a bone-stock 848 (that I didn't own) within 5.5 seconds of making the AMA FX grid at the hardest track on the AMA circuit, my first time on it.


Can I have a cookie?


Race whatever the shit you want. I god damn love riding a big bike but for Loudon you won't catch me racing one anytime soon. When the new track is build thou... hollah!

Mmm 1098... never forget coming into T5 at Barber 4th gear pinned, banging down 2 shifts into 2nd, backing the rear tire in, hitting the double apex, spinning up the rear on the exit, and then pulling a power wheelie thru the next 2 gears over the crest while the bars are banging lock to lock due to headshake.... GIGGITY!!


Hey oh yea. In the motard class you get to race Jeff Wood, Shane Narbonne, Mike Martiere, Eric Wood, Brent Lyskawa, JayRoot, and a host of other random TOP DOGS at Loudon. BOOOOOIIIIIIIII!!!!!

[Pittenger5]

Hey oh yea. In the motard class you get to race Dollar Bill, and a host of other random TOP DOGS at Loudon.

Yah, there ya go

[SVRACER01]

pete, i havent checked lately but a while ago i was hearing that getting a lot of power out of the FI models was tough because you can only get so much fuel out of the injector. i know people were experimenting with different injectors but havent heard much since. the carb bikes though...you can always put a bigger set of carbs on. theres nothing wrong with the FI bikes per say, just a power thing. i think out of the box the FIs make a few more ponies, but down the HP road the carb bike will win (AFAIK)

[Jim]

next to this one...

hi kitt

[Kurlon]

pete, i havent checked lately but a while ago i was hearing that getting a lot of power out of the FI models was tough because you can only get so much fuel out of the injector. i know people were experimenting with different injectors but havent heard much since. the carb bikes though...you can always put a bigger set of carbs on. theres nothing wrong with the FI bikes per say, just a power thing. i think out of the box the FIs make a few more ponies, but down the HP road the carb bike will win (AFAIK)

If people are getting stuck 'cause of the stock fuel injector choice made by Suzuki, they should step away from the dyno and put their 'tuning' cert down*.

SOP in this case is to A) Up the pressure on the fuel rail, more pressure == more fuel per squirt, then B) you nailed it, higher flow injectors.

Ideally you should be getting MORE power out of an FI setup as you can safely run a larger diameter throttle body and still have good fueling at low RPM/flow than you can coax out of a comparable sized carb. That said, I'd be curious to know just how radical a build we're talking about where they're outflowing the stock injector.

*I kid, I kid!

[Kitt]

If people are getting stuck 'cause of the stock fuel injector choice made by Suzuki, they should step away from the dyno and put their 'tuning' cert down*.

SOP in this case is to A) Up the pressure on the fuel rail, more pressure == more fuel per squirt, then B) you nailed it, higher flow injectors.

Ideally you should be getting MORE power out of an FI setup as you can safely run a larger diameter throttle body and still have good fueling at low RPM/flow than you can coax out of a comparable sized carb. That said, I'd be curious to know just how radical a build we're talking about where they're outflowing the stock injector.

*I kid, I kid!

just my .02 - the stock injectors won't perform much better with higher fuel pressure.

but - yes, no self proclaimed tuner would say FI is more limiting.

[Kurlon]

just my .02 - the stock injectors won't perform much better with higher fuel pressure.

but - yes, no self proclaimed tuner would say FI is more limiting.

What's Zook got shoved in there anyways, 3 bar fuel rail and low impedance injector? (I haven't had a chance to fondle a fuelie dirt donk yet.)

[scottieducati]

I've raced on:

Ducati 748 (twin), Daytona 675 (triple), Honda F4 (I-4), Ducati SS800 (Lt. Wt. Twin)...

Personally, Lt. Wt. Twin or MW Twin were the most fun, but I'm also more comfortable on a twin in general... Part of what I loved about racing the 748 wasn't in the MW class, it was in Supertwins, which is a fantastic class to race in w/ good guys on anything from built SV's to Buells to 1098's.

Had the best times in that class...

[BLACK SQUIRREL]

I am pretty sure as with 90% of us the Bikes Power is not the Limiting factor. (except of course Josh Kurlon where it is definitly the Limiting Factor) My understanding is that The chassis on the First gen are better. Its also my understanding that Its very hard to go from a first gen Chassis to A second gen and Visca Versa that the geomityy is very Very diffrent.

[SilverDragon]

I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

amen to that brotha

[SVRACER01]

If people are getting stuck 'cause of the stock fuel injector choice made by Suzuki, they should step away from the dyno and put their 'tuning' cert down*.

SOP in this case is to A) Up the pressure on the fuel rail, more pressure == more fuel per squirt, then B) you nailed it, higher flow injectors.

Ideally you should be getting MORE power out of an FI setup as you can safely run a larger diameter throttle body and still have good fueling at low RPM/flow than you can coax out of a comparable sized carb. That said, I'd be curious to know just how radical a build we're talking about where they're outflowing the stock injector.

*I kid, I kid!

you can only push so much fuel through an injector before you need a bigger injector. its easier to drink a milkshake with a big Dunkin straw than it is with a Mcd straw. thats simple physics. sure you can put 8000lbs of fuel pressure through a stock SV injector but wouldnt it be better to put in a bigger injector and use 8lbs of press AND still get more fuel?

[Mr. Kurtz]

"I know a guy who knows a guy who crashed a 600 in his novice race"

[eboos]

I'd rather ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow.

Do I get any extra points for riding a slow bike slow?

[a13x]

Do I get any extra points for riding a slow bike slow?

You race a motorcycle which gets major points in my book.

[Kurlon]

you can only push so much fuel through an injector before you need a bigger injector. its easier to drink a milkshake with a big Dunkin straw than it is with a Mcd straw. thats simple physics. sure you can put 8000lbs of fuel pressure through a stock SV injector but wouldnt it be better to put in a bigger injector and use 8lbs of press AND still get more fuel?

Lots of times, it's easier to just up the pressure. Ever since FI came out, playing with the pressure of the rail has been a standard tuning technique. Plus, with higher pressure you get better atomization. The flow increase is directly proportional to the pressure bump, the only potential gotcha is if you go crazy with the regulator and piss off the fuel pump. You'd have to really crank it up to risk it on a race bike though, the runs times just aren't long enough.

I'd like to know what people are doing that they're running out of injector timing though, I've seen lots of crazy builds on other bikes, and the only ones that could justify an injector swap were jumping from 80rwhp to mid 130s...