NHMS 2012 Suggestions?

[scottieducati]

So who won ROTY??? I can't figure it out by the descriptions and I wasn't aware of anyone who came close to deserving it besides Brett or Jim... We battled all season, I bumped, and then they bumped and started beating me... plus they raced more races so had way more points... I thought for sure one of them would get it??? Someone PM me w/a name so I can make some kind of sense out of this!

I don't really care what his name was, we all know who the 'real' ROTY's of 2012 are. Congrats Brett & Jim.

[CBR929RE]

I don't really care what his name was, we all know who the 'real' ROTY's of 2012 are. Congrats Brett & Jim.

aww thanks buddy


I'm not saying the kid didn't do awesome this year and I'm certainly not mad at him, he really did amazing this year. And lets face it, if I could have pulled the kind of lap times he got down to I think I would have had it locked up. It was just what was said in the rule book appears to have meant nothing.

[BrianC]

The fact is that the rulebook says the ROTY award is given to a rookie rider that collects the most points in a season. Attitude and other factors are also considered.

He was 180 points behind Brett and myself. He was 4th in points of rookies for the season.

His attitude sucks. He was approached by fellow riders about making some dangerous passes and he basically told the rider to get lost. He wheelies down pit lane every time he pits out. This is after the riders meeting about unsafe wheelies in pit lane.

So who actually won ROTY??? I can't tell by these descriptions, and as far as I'm concerned no one deserved it more than Brett or Jim. I raced the entire season w/these guys and they both had a shit load of progress and points. I don't know which one of us had the most novice wins, but I know both of these guys bumped the weekend after me and earned much more points for the season. Someone PM me w/a name so I can figure this out please!

[BrianC]

Thanks for the info guys... still doesn't make any sense. Maybe he was a novice in a different class than MW? Just trying to make sure an actual "rookie" took the honors! If he was an actual rookie, then I can see how he won... he is way faster than any other rookies this season, even if the rules were bent a little w/the points stuff...

[CBR929RE]

Thanks for the info guys... still doesn't make any sense. Maybe he was a novice in a different class than MW? Just trying to make sure an actual "rookie" took the honors! If he was an actual rookie, then I can see how he won... he is way faster than any other rookies this season, even if the rules were bent a little w/the points stuff...

yeah he was a rookie and ran MW the whole time. His monster progress is why I do partially think he did deserve it.

[Jim]

. And lets face it, if I could have pulled the kind of lap times he got down to I think I would have had it locked up..

just have his dad buy you a $14k bike to ride the last round. I'm sure you'd drop 3 seconds just as quickly.

[BrianC]

Just checked the results... I was in am. by the time he started racing.

yeah he was a rookie and ran MW the whole time. His monster progress is why I do partially think he did deserve it.

[nt650hawk]

License application:
if NHMS hadadobe PRO they could make this a form in PDF..... You then could fill it in on a computer. This would make their life easier by being able to get away from the chicken scratchers out there.

I create one every year......


if you wanted to go a step further. have an on line application that collects the data and no retyping in need on their end.....

[OreoGaborio]

And fix the bump on the entrance to 11!

[Woodcraft]

Yeah, I'd like to see all of turn 10-12 re-done. I talked with the speedway several times over the past couple years about options to not only repave it, but completely reconfigure turns 9,10 & 11 that would make the track safer (think along the lines of tons more runoff entering T3) and potentially more appealing to groups like the AMA (certainly there would be more work needed, but this is a start).

Don't get your hopes up, but it's possible that in the spring of 2013 there could be changes afoot. We'll see how it goes.

[a13x]

1) I miss the old PDF results. New system is tough for casual observers to visit and enjoy. Or maybe there still is a way? Honestly I'm a bit out of the loop on how to look at results, classes, laptimes, and I don't have a account for my.nhms.com or whatever. Any help there?

2) I've always thought the "Rider of the Year" / "Rookie of the Year" award was a complete joke. I'd toss it (current model) in the garbage and find a new way to award that suit to a rookie rider.

[OreoGaborio]

1) I miss the old PDF results. New system is tough for casual observers to visit and enjoy. Or maybe there still is a way? Honestly I'm a bit out of the loop on how to look at results, classes, laptimes, and I don't have a account for my.nhms.com or whatever. Any help there?

It's a little buried in the www.nhms.com website but there's a couple of ways to get to it. Here's a direct link.
http://www.nhms.com/handler.cfm/temp...,43597?id=1991

2) I've always thought the "Rider of the Year" / "Rookie of the Year" award was a complete joke. I'd toss it (current model) in the garbage and find a new way to award that suit to a rookie rider.

Dunno if I'd go as far as calling it a joke, but otherwise I can't really say I disagree. I would definitely like to see an award of that type "reborn" to show the true spirit of what the award is supposed to represent.

[CEO]

YES! Dangling booties off the line!

i got my 1st experience on saturday during rd 7. my first thought was "crap, i just pulled a denno"

I have some of those pics somewhere...

I still think mine was worse than Dennis'... can't find the photo but it's a good one.

the ROTY thing really confused the hell out of me too. The rule book made it sound like points were the main criteria along with no cherry picking. but that doesn't seem to be the case.

The fact is that the rulebook says the ROTY award is given to a rookie rider that collects the most points in a season. Attitude and other factors are also considered.

It also isn't clear in the rulebook what a rookie is... the person who won it my year, even though he was fast and deserved to win, had done his rookie race the prior season. I crushed everyone in points that actually started as a rookie with me.

But all in all, I think all this shows a little bit how the award is screwed up. Because you and me and brett never even got into the teens our rookie season... I got a 20.05, I think you got 23's, I don't know what brett got. And I think this exemplifies how the award is messed up... we got a lot of points but we weren't actually very fast.

I think the ROTY award should be restructured to actually reward someone who makes huge strides in their first season, going from a novice running 27's to an amateur or expert running 16's... that kind of person.

i thought to make ROTY you had to advance from Nv to EX within the season. those arent the requirements anymore?

No you just have to not cherry pick (bump when you're eligible).

[Woodcraft]

There was a lot of discussion about this already. Back in the days when LRRS ran 11-12 race weekends at two tracks, bumping from Novice to Expert was something that a few guys did every year. Now that we are down to 7, that's not something that we see anymore (at least it's very rare).

The ROTY award was originally something that Vanson decided to do to support LRRS....it really was not a series award. What it's moving towards is the best performing rider who starts the year as a Novice (it doesn't have to be that riders first year....he could have done a race or two the year prior) and moves to Amatuer and then scores a bunch of points and makes a big drop in time. If he can make expert, great....if not it will go to the person who has progressed the most.

Vanson is talking to LRRS about making it a little more black and white, which I think would be good, as it gives guys something to really shoot for.

[Jim]

I should have saved the $1k I wasted in round 7 chasing after points & buy the suit from Vanson directly.

The rulebook was written for a reason, and it clearly wasn't followed for at least this season.

Progress or not, this year's winner didn't deserve it. He raced 4 rounds, when others put in an effort all season.

[SVRACER01]

I should have saved the $1k I wasted in round 7 chasing after points & buy the suit from Vanson directly.

The rulebook was written for a reason, and it clearly wasn't followed for at least this season.

Progress or not, this year's winner didn't deserve it. He raced 4 rounds, when others put in an effort all season.

thats tough logic to dispute.

[Woodcraft]

I should have saved the $1k I wasted in round 7 chasing after points & buy the suit from Vanson directly.

The rulebook was written for a reason, and it clearly wasn't followed for at least this season.

Progress or not, this year's winner didn't deserve it. He raced 4 rounds, when others put in an effort all season.

Your thoughts - which some people expressed before the fact - have been forwarded to the people that need to hear it.

[CBR929RE]

But all in all, I think all this shows a little bit how the award is screwed up. Because you and me and brett never even got into the teens our rookie season... I got a 20.05, I think you got 23's, I don't know what brett got. And I think this exemplifies how the award is messed up... we got a lot of points but we weren't actually very fast.

19.8 but that was the only lap I did below a 20.


I don't completely agree with Jim that Brian didn't deserve it and I had the most points. Brian did make huge progress and was a few seconds faster than me. Its just being misled by the rulebook is what ticked me off. rewriting it so that its clear will be nice for future rookies.

[Kurlon]

3.4.14 Vanson Rider of the Year award: This award is presented by
Vanson Leathers to the first year rider that accumulates the
most number of points, starting the race season as a Novice and
advancing when the minimum requirements are met (no cherry
picking). Rider character and deportment are also taken into
consideration

Unfortunately, those two items pretty much make it the Vanson Picks It award, no other way to interpret it. Seems like every year there is controversy over the decision. If it's going to be clarified, and still up to Vanson as they're the ones handing over the leathers I say write it as such: ROTY is decided by Vanson and awarded at their discretion.

Bam, no more hurt feelings.

[a13x]

It's a little buried in the www.nhms.com website but there's a couple of ways to get to it. Here's a direct link.
http://www.nhms.com/handler.cfm/temp...,43597?id=1991

Thanks.

Def miss the old PDF's. More information to be had there (overall time, laps, best lap, etc) and easier to read/save format.

Few clubs are using that software/format, hopefully it gets updated.

[Degsy]

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3.4.14 Vanson Rider of the Year award: This award is presented by
Vanson Leathers to the first year rider that accumulates the
most number of points, starting the race season as a Novice and
advancing when the minimum requirements are met (no cherry
picking). Rider character and deportment are also taken into
consideration

Unfortunately, those two items pretty much make it the Vanson Picks It award, no other way to interpret it. Seems like every year there is controversy over the decision. If it's going to be clarified, and still up to Vanson as they're the ones handing over the leathers I say write it as such: ROTY is decided by Vanson and awarded at their discretion.

Bam, no more hurt feelings.

That's the best solution

[BrianC]

They should've just given ROTY to the nov. who bumped 1st... whoever that was?

[CBR929RE]

They should've just given ROTY to the nov. who bumped 1st... whoever that was?

[nt650hawk]

Thanks.

Def miss the old PDF's. More information to be had there (overall time, laps, best lap, etc) and easier to read/save format.

Few clubs are using that software/format, hopefully it gets updated.

Add em to the list.

http://www.nestreetriders.com/forum/...ml#post1115806

[CEO]

Unfortunately, those two items pretty much make it the Vanson Picks It award, no other way to interpret it. Seems like every year there is controversy over the decision. If it's going to be clarified, and still up to Vanson as they're the ones handing over the leathers I say write it as such: ROTY is decided by Vanson and awarded at their discretion.

Bam, no more hurt feelings.

Exactly Kurlon... the issue is that they are ALREADY doing that... but that's not what's written in the rulebook.

"first year rider" - nope they didn't do that in my year

"collects the most points" - nope they didn't do that Jim's year

We both lost to faster and potentially more deserving riders... but not by what the rulebook says is the definition of the ROTY.