Here comes the electric pickup

[Kurlon]

I ordered a chonky Lectron adapter after getting the SUV. Funny enough, when I was sitting at the charger someone pulled into the spot next to me and was expecting to recharge. He backed in, got out, shut the door, and took a few steps to grab the charger. The entire time I was shaking my head at him. He finally looked at me and said OH, ok and got back in and moved over one spot.

How was the experience, just plug in and go? How'd you pay for it?

[TheIglu]

It charges the card tied to your Rivian account. Just plug in an go.

If you want to use the Supercharger subscription, you need to initiate it via the Tesla app first.

[PurplePackage]

Look at the Prius as an example, ya don't hear constant stories about them failing, being maint whores, etc, they just... go. As far as service, any shop that can get access to brand manuals can work on them, the non full EVs tend to be easier for them 'cause they're mostly ICE with some boltons and the batteries are no where near the monsters in full EVs, no where near the amperage/KWh capacity to worry about. Look at my Jeep for example, standard ICE paired with the 8 speed ZF transmission* Jeep's been using for years now, just instead of a torque converter between the two, it's a pair of clutches and an electric motor. The battery fits under the passenger seats. If you crawl under it, other than spotting the HV cables it looks just like any other Wrangler. Put it beside a regular turbo 4 banger Wrangler and pop the hoods, and if you squint you might notice that the power steering pump and AC compressor aren't operated by a belt, crawl back underneath and you'll eventually notice the lack of a starter motor. I still think the planetary setup with dual electric motors to form a no slip CVT Toyota uses is much more elegant and flexible, smaller packaging... but this setup works and is maintained / repaired almost identically to the non hybrid Wrangler so I get it.

If a shop starts getting all hand wavey the moment they see a hybrid/PHEV from one of the traditional brands they're lazy and you likely don't want to use them in general. If they get hand wavey 'cause Tesla, full on agree there, Tesla does NOT like treating their own customers well after the sale and they'll be damned if third parties will do better. I can't speak about the other new EV brands, but I bet you'll hear from a couple here if Rivian shits in the bed on the service front.

* ZF has a new beefy 8spd transmission they've shown off recently, expected to be used in the next refresh of the RAM 2500/3500 platform with dual side mount PTO bays that SCREAM bolt on PHEV capacity in a better setup than my 4XE's config.

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[PurplePackage]

Yes you just click in the adapter and then plug it into the vehicle.

[e30addict]

https://maine.craigslist.org/pts/d/b...765275054.html

Conspiciously missing mileage on a 16 yr old vehicle...

Eventually everything is gonna wear out and need to fixed/replaced. The Prius' have reps for running hundreds of thousands of miles for pennies.

[Point37]

Look at the Prius as an example, ya don't hear constant stories about them failing, being maint whores, etc, they just... go. As far as service, any shop that can get access to brand manuals can work on them, the non full EVs tend to be easier for them 'cause they're mostly ICE with some boltons and the batteries are no where near the monsters in full EVs, no where near the amperage/KWh capacity to worry about. Look at my Jeep for example, standard ICE paired with the 8 speed ZF transmission* Jeep's been using for years now, just instead of a torque converter between the two, it's a pair of clutches and an electric motor. The battery fits under the passenger seats. If you crawl under it, other than spotting the HV cables it looks just like any other Wrangler. Put it beside a regular turbo 4 banger Wrangler and pop the hoods, and if you squint you might notice that the power steering pump and AC compressor aren't operated by a belt, crawl back underneath and you'll eventually notice the lack of a starter motor. I still think the planetary setup with dual electric motors to form a no slip CVT Toyota uses is much more elegant and flexible, smaller packaging... but this setup works and is maintained / repaired almost identically to the non hybrid Wrangler so I get it.

If a shop starts getting all hand wavey the moment they see a hybrid/PHEV from one of the traditional brands they're lazy and you likely don't want to use them in general. If they get hand wavey 'cause Tesla, full on agree there, Tesla does NOT like treating their own customers well after the sale and they'll be damned if third parties will do better. I can't speak about the other new EV brands, but I bet you'll hear from a couple here if Rivian shits in the bed on the service front.

* ZF has a new beefy 8spd transmission they've shown off recently, expected to be used in the next refresh of the RAM 2500/3500 platform with dual side mount PTO bays that SCREAM bolt on PHEV capacity in a better setup than my 4XE's config.

i actually have the been comparing the older prius v model to other choices i have been looking at as far as the cargo volume (Garandman informed me of this one) and it's much more than a sedan and very similar to an outback...may be a little cramped for passengers but we take my wife's telluride anytime we go anywhere cause it has more space and is much more comfortable than my subaru...just not sure if i want to make the jump to a hybrid...also the prius v was offered 2012 - 2017 so they are getting a little long in the tooth especially if they were in new england with the road salt (parents tacoma went through the frame buyback years ago)...i did watch a couple videos and the hybrid battery doesn't look too hard to swap out...what would the battery cost i have no clue but i assume a large number of them are nearing the end of their useful life...not really interested in the other models of the prius

https://www.nestreetriders.com/forum...ml#post1601230

[PurplePackage]

Skip the Prius and look at the Lexus CT200h. Lexus tend to be dealer maintained and will have less issues.

[Point37]

Skip the Prius and look at the Lexus CT200h. Lexus tend to be dealer maintained and will have less issues.

ct200h doesn't have enough cargo space for me to consider...prius v 34.3 ft^3 (similar to a ford maverick 33.3 ft^3)...ct200h 14.3 ft^3...my subaru legacy 14.7 ft^3...i want to go up in cargo space...up in gas mileage...and i would like to keep the same amount or more interior occupant space...anyway not looking to veer this thread off course so i'll save it for my thread when i actually have an update...just researching for now and posting in my thread until i can't justify keeping my car which is when i will have to pull the trigger on something and overlap the telluride payment and my new car payment...i'm sure my car will be worth nothing by that point and i'm sure it isn't going to make it till the telluride is paid off in sept 2026 over 2 years from now...carry on

[Kurlon]

Earlier Prius the batts are modular, just replace individual cells as needed so the refurb cost generally is reasonable. There are places doing whole batt refurb swaps too now, so lots of options to keep cost in check on that front. I've not looked at newer lithium based ones so not sure if those are modular or not.

[Point37]

Earlier Prius the batts are modular, just replace individual cells as needed so the refurb cost generally is reasonable. There are places doing whole batt refurb swaps too now, so lots of options to keep cost in check on that front. I've not looked at newer lithium based ones so not sure if those are modular or not.

sounds like 2011+ are lithium...earlier are ni-mh...toyota says batteries are good for 100k-150k miles and 8-10 years so if i were to pick up a used prius v i would probably be looking at a new battery or new cells right off the bat...i assume they have some type of screen like a phone which tells you the battery life of the hybrid battery or would you need something like the below app?...at what percentage is it at it's useful life?

https://www.priusapp.com/

[Kurlon]

Toyota warranties the battery for 10yrs / 150k miles: https://www.toyota.com/electrified-vehicles/warranty/

Full EV battery to 100k miles with better than 70% capacity at that point.

Observation says 200k miles isn't an issue on a hybrid, many go far longer and even degraded the car still runs fine, your overall MPG just starts to trickle down. Hybrid batts see nearly ideal usage patterns, never really discharged, never fully charged, just living the good life floating in the happy zone.

[csmutty]

Toyota warranties the battery for 10yrs / 150k miles: https://www.toyota.com/electrified-vehicles/warranty/

Full EV battery to 100k miles with better than 70% capacity at that point.

Observation says 200k miles isn't an issue on a hybrid, many go far longer and even degraded the car still runs fine, your overall MPG just starts to trickle down. Hybrid batts see nearly ideal usage patterns, never really discharged, never fully charged, just living the good life floating in the happy zone.

It's interesting going down a certain hill with the Maverick it will stop Regen and will switch to engine braking. I'm wondering if that is due to the battery being full? I know a lot of hybrids are coming with smaller and smaller batteries now. Maverick has a 1.1kwh and the Prius is going to a 0.9kwh.

[PurplePackage]

It takes a mountain to fully charge a hybrid battery with regen.

[Kurlon]

It's interesting going down a certain hill with the Maverick it will stop Regen and will switch to engine braking. I'm wondering if that is due to the battery being full? I know a lot of hybrids are coming with smaller and smaller batteries now. Maverick has a 1.1kwh and the Prius is going to a 0.9kwh.

Yeah, if the batt gets up to it's charge target it'll switch to mechanical / engine braking. Similarly if you trip ABS while under regen it'll force over to mechanical mode.

[e30addict]

sounds like 2011+ are lithium...earlier are ni-mh...toyota says batteries are good for 100k-150k miles and 8-10 years so if i were to pick up a used prius v i would probably be looking at a new battery or new cells right off the bat...i assume they have some type of screen like a phone which tells you the battery life of the hybrid battery or would you need something like the below app?...at what percentage is it at it's useful life?

https://www.priusapp.com/

No. Gen 3 Prius, 2010-2016 is NiMH except the plug in version, which is LiOn.

Toyota warranties the batteries for 10/150k, that doesn't mean they need to be replaced then. Mine was 13 years old with 182k when I sold it and the app showed something like 70%. They trip the code around 50% and it's usually just a few cells that are bad. You can either replace those or swap packs when that happens. Throw a used battery or a reconditioned one in for short money. There are so many of those packs around that is the cheapest car out there to do that on. A brand new pack is under 3k, used/reconditioned would be less. Cells were like $50 each when I was researching. You can "fix" those cars stupid cheap relatively speaking if you know what you're doing when they finally start to wear out.

[csmutty]

Yeah, if the batt gets up to it's charge target it'll switch to mechanical / engine braking. Similarly if you trip ABS while under regen it'll force over to mechanical mode.

I never knew that about abs but that makes a lot of sense!

[Point37]

good info...thanks fellas...i think if my car goes before her payment is done in sept '26 (which i assume it will), the prius v would be a good candidate as far as cargo space goes and lower cost vs a new vehicle...if battery replacement isn't too hard or expensive to work on i think it would work decent for what i need...i would like a little more cabin space but it's mostly me driving it anyway...would still be a little tight with both dogs but not unbearable

[e30addict]

It's interesting going down a certain hill with the Maverick it will stop Regen and will switch to engine braking. I'm wondering if that is due to the battery being full? I know a lot of hybrids are coming with smaller and smaller batteries now. Maverick has a 1.1kwh and the Prius is going to a 0.9kwh.

For reference, the Prius I had kept the battery between 40-60% SOC as it's happy place. Hit 40% and the engine would fire up and it would shut down once you hit 60%. You'd get the best regen between 40-60. 60-70% regen braking was ramped down some and almost no regen 70-80% range. After 80% regen kicked out and you were mechanical only.

You can really see the battery heat up when doing lots of regen in a short time. Heat hurts batteries, and the higher SOC the more heat you create "charging". I didn't play with it enough to see if higher battery temps meant reduced regen as well but I also would ramp up the fan manually when temps were up there and I knew I was going to be a heavy repetitive regen environment.

[e30addict]

if battery replacement isn't too hard or expensive to work on i think it would work decent for what i need

You can swap packs in about an hour and is literally plug and play. Replacing cells is more involved, requires more knowledge and can be dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. It's the cheapest option though.

[FriskyDingo]

Yeah, if the batt gets up to it's charge target it'll switch to mechanical / engine braking.....

Curious, how "drastic" is the changeover? Is there an indicator light in the dash for Regen or Battery Full, so you can anticipate how the brakes will react at next application?

Seems as if this could be an issue, if your use to the regen kicking in with foot off throttle, and it doesn't..... or do the mechanical also "auto" apply when off throttle?

[e30addict]

Curious, how "drastic" is the changeover? Is there an indicator light in the dash for Regen or Battery Full, so you can anticipate how the brakes will react at next application?

Seems as if this could be an issue, if your use to the regen kicking in with foot off throttle, and it doesn't..... or do the mechanical also "auto" apply when off throttle?

It's pretty seamless in a Prius. You get used to the "feel" of when you get straight regen or not. If you press the pedal too heavily you get a mix of regen/mechanical anyway. If you slam on the brakes or hit a bump/slippery spot and ABS kicks in you notice it the most and it that can be upsetting. "Normal" driving not so much, and most people are probably completely oblivious. The hybrids I've driven don't use as much regen as BEVs seem to, so that is probably a different animal. Max regen on the Prius was 100 amps for example and that was only for a short time under the right conditions. The computer would ramp the amperage down and add more hydraulic as SOC was changing. Someone who was a "car guy"/enthusiast can pick up on the subtlety in pedal feel, but most people aren't gonna pick up on what's going on behind the scenes.

Never driven a hybrid that had one pedal braking off throttle, though that was more a BEV thing and they utilize regen completely different. Drastically different pack sizes and battery strategies. They fill up and discharge over the full range, while hybrids stay in a narrow range. Losing "regen" in a BEV wouldn't be a thing compared to hybrids in normal use.

[Kurlon]

When it's an ABS trip cutover, you go from decel to coasting for a moment back to decel. Confused the shit out of me the first few times till I figured out what was going on. My 2021 Wrangler is better about it than my 06 Highlander was, which makes sense, 15yrs to improve. The normal transition when the system is prepared for it, pretty much seamless.

[csmutty]

The transitions in the Maverick from battery to gas power are smooth. Same with the transition from Regen to engine braking. The biggest thing is the noise from the high rpms as it switches to engine braking.

[Kurlon]

I do enjoy the absurdity of watching the tach while driving. Hard launch from the light and it sits at 0 while pressing me back in the seat... wait, foot in it too long and sudden 3k RPM!

[PurplePackage]

Talked with a new owner and he said its black PPF.