Rant: TV Weather reports

[TheIglu]

dramatic


just because common sense is free, it doesnt mean everyone has it. getting stuck isnt the only problem.

boo hoo, you think youre the only one that has to use PTO? amanda wont even get paid because she IS essential personnel but i told her i didnt want her driving 50 miles to work at the height of the blizzard, risk getting stuck at work if her relief didnt show up and then the kicker was she woke up sick on Wed so even if it wasnt snowing she wouldnt have gone in. but since she didnt go in, she wont get paid at all.


enforceable? yes. see below for why





its no lie that driving is not a right.


i think your record is broken


if you think its a good idea to go out then you need the government to tell you not to. everyone thinks that they are a great driver. its obvious that we cant all be great drivers because i constantly get stuck behind idiots when it snows


you should really get that record looked at.


lets add or alter that just a little. car spins out and gets stuck. another car or 2 crash into it because visibility is low. now the road is blocked. emergency crews have to drive out to the scene as do tow trucks. traffic starts to slow or stop in that area. takes about an hour for crews to clear the scene and since its snowing at 4-5" an hour and the road hasnt been plowed, now everyone who was waiting for the scene to be cleared is stuck. you know, kinda like what happened in Chicago a few years ago.

heard that a tree branch fell and took out a feed line. 7000 people lost power. they said they had it back in like an hour or so though


bottom line is, you all want to think that the driving ban is there to protect you from yourself. well, youre only partially right. weve all been stuck behind someone going 10-15 UNDER the limit because SNOW OMG. and weve all said to ourselves or out loud "if youre too scared to drive in this then stay home". those people NEED someone to tell them to stay home. in such poor driving conditions, im sure that fire/police/medical personnel great appreciate the clear roads without having to navigate through a bunch of retards. and lastly plow trucks, its SOOOOO much easier to clean up this kind of mess without any traffic. both streets and private. do you know what a pain in the dick it is to plow a parking lot when there is a constant flow of traffic coming in and out and they are all completely oblivious to the fact that you are trying to move 17 yards of snow across a parking lot? highway plows can run 2-3+ wide to clear the whole roadway without having 1500 aggravated drivers lined up behind them going 35 on the highway.
so get off your "you cant tell me what to do", "save me from myself", "deeeerrr driving ban" high horse. if you NEED to go out then go out FFS, but really why would you need to? unless youre an ill prepared imbecile and even then i dont know WHERE youre gonna go since just about everything is closed. maybe you crave old gas station hot dogs, IDK.

How was the skiing?

Next time it snows some FRESH POW BRAH, stay home. Granite stater my ass.

[PhilB]

... its no lie that driving is not a right. ...

Yes, it is. The whole concept of liberty is that you have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the rights of anyone else.

... Bottom line is, you all want to think that the driving ban is there to protect you from yourself. well, youre only partially right. weve all been stuck ...

Waaaah! Mommy government save me! Tell me what to do! Spank me if I don't do it! <rolleyes>

PhilB

[mzdagrl]

Yes, it is. The whole concept of liberty is that you have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the rights of anyone else.

Sorry, driving is a privilege. It is only granted once you've proven you are worthy (road test, written test, etc) and can be taken away if you prove that you are unworthy (DUI, aggravated reckless, etc).... It is a NECESSITY where we all live, not a RIGHT.

[jasnmar]

It is only granted once you've proven you are worthy (licensing class, written test, etc) and can be taken away if you prove that you are unworthy (DUI, aggravated assault, etc)....

Same could be said of gun ownership in MA. Is it a right or a privilege?

[Garandman]

I'm curious just how many people are usually out driving around at night when blizzard conditions are forecast for the next eight hours? Is it that much of a problem?

[e30addict]

I'm curious just how many people are usually out driving around at night when blizzard conditions are forecast for the next eight hours? Is it that much of a problem?

That's not the point.

[PhilB]

Sorry, driving is a privilege. It is only granted once you've proven you are worthy (road test, written test, etc) and can be taken away if you prove that you are unworthy (DUI, aggravated reckless, etc).... It is a NECESSITY where we all live, not a RIGHT.

The fact that the government treats it like a privilege does not mean that's right and ethical. Many of our rights are treated by the government as privileges these days -- that just means that we have a lot of our rights being violated.

Same could be said of gun ownership in MA. Is it a right or a privilege?

Another example.

PhilB

[jasnmar]

How about riding in a car? Is that a right? No government approval required. No license required. People are free to ride in cars all they want without special permission. Does that make riding in a car a right?

[ZX-12R]

The best time to go out to eat is in the middle of a big snow storm, and this storm was no exception. No traffic, no wait to be seated, nice quiet dining room, and a waitress/bartender who was happy to have some customers. These factors combine to make a great dining experience.

I like to patronize businesses that stay open in less than ideal conditions.

[PhilB]

How about riding in a car? Is that a right? No government approval required. No license required. People are free to ride in cars all they want without special permission. Does that make riding in a car a right?

Yes, it is. The fact that the government doesn't screw with that right isn't what makes it a right. The fact that it's a choice you make about your own life, that doesn't violate anyone else's choices about their own lives, is what makes it a right.

I'll say it again. The whole concept of liberty is that you have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the equal rights of anyone else.

That's the basic mindset of freedom, which sadly is largely lost these days. We each have the inherent right to make our own decisions about our own lives, provided only that we respect the equal rights of others to do the same.

PhilB

[RandyO]

heard that a tree branch fell and took out a feed line. 7000 people lost power. they said they had it back in like an hour or so though


bottom line is, you all want to think that the driving ban is there to protect you from yourself. well, youre only partially right. weve all been stuck behind someone going 10-15 UNDER the limit because SNOW OMG. and weve all said to ourselves or out loud "if youre too scared to drive in this then stay home". those people NEED someone to tell them to stay home..

that's what I heard, about the tree branch, normally I don't get my generator going that quickly, I wait a couple hours, but due to the cold temps and not knowing how long it was going to be out due to the storm, I decided to power up right away and not let my house cool down any more, the power went out just as my thermostat is programmed to bring the house temp from 58° to 66°. I need to install a signal of some type to let me know when the power comes back, I ran my generator about an additional 45 minutes after the power came back on cause I didn't think it would get fixed so quick

I disagree with you about driving under the speed limit during a storm, its those in a rush that cause the accidents and should be the ones who are not on the road, I have in fact been stopped for speeding (under limit , but faster than conditions warrant) I am one of those who do drive slower on snow covered roads, usually 15-25 under, I also increase my following distance, 4wd and AWD are great for going too fast and getting you stuck further into the snowbank, it does not help your braking capabilities, nor does 4wd increase your visibility in poorer vision conditions.

less traffic does help the snowplow guys, I had a plow route back in the early '90s one of my plow jobs was a convenience store/gas station, during the blizzard of '93, it took me less time than normal to keep the lot cleared due to no traffic except other plow guys coming to get fuel even though we had 4-5 times as much snow

[SVRACER01]

How was the skiing?

Next time it snows some FRESH POW BRAH, stay home. Granite stater my ass.

ummm...i went wed. it wasnt snowing and the roads were clear.

oh, the skiing was awesome...on wednesday...after the storm

[SVRACER01]

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I'll say it again. The whole concept of liberty is that you have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the equal rights of anyone else.


PhilB

just because you say something over and over doesnt make it true. driving is a privilege awarded by the state in which you reside. a privilege that they have the right to take away for numerous reasons. not least of which is when one demonstrates that they are not responsible enough to adhere by the traffic laws and receive numerous violations.
if your statement were true then i wouldnt have had to wait until i was 16 to get my license by your logicl, at 13 i couldve drove as long as i didnt violate anyones rights or i wouldnt have had to wait until i was 18 to smoke or 21 to drink.
you have the right to travel, that doesnt mean by car. walking, bicycle, dog sled, skis...sure...but not by car

edit: you keep saying liberty but driving doesnt fall under liberty either. unless its a jeep liberty. and those things suck

[SVRACER01]

Another example.

PhilB

your argument makes way more sense here. owning a gun IS a right. a right that many states seem to be making a privilege. driving is not a gun.

[SVRACER01]

Waaaah! Mommy government save me! Tell me what to do! Spank me if I don't do it! <rolleyes>

PhilB

is that where you stopped reading? because i clearly said "if you NEED to go out then do it" also the other half of my argument had nothing to do with saving you from yourself, it had to do with letting the municipalities do their jobs to respond and clear roads for safer travel

[PhilB]

just because you say something over and over doesnt make it true. driving is a privilege awarded by the state in which you reside. a privilege that they have the right to take away for numerous reasons. not least of which is when one demonstrates that they are not responsible enough to adhere by the traffic laws and receive numerous violations.
if your statement were true then i wouldnt have had to wait until i was 16 to get my license by your logicl, at 13 i couldve drove as long as i didnt violate anyones rights or i wouldnt have had to wait until i was 18 to smoke or 21 to drink.
you have the right to travel, that doesnt mean by car. walking, bicycle, dog sled, skis...sure...but not by car

edit: you keep saying liberty but driving doesnt fall under liberty either. unless its a jeep liberty. and those things suck

OK, I guess I need to repeat something else I said: That's the basic mindset of freedom, which sadly is largely lost these days. We each have the inherent right to make our own decisions about our own lives, provided only that we respect the equal rights of others to do the same.

You have failed to achieve this mindset, and apparently believe that rights are only those things the government bestows upon you out of the goodness of its heart; freedom is only what the government allows you to have. I'm sorry for you, but my sympathy does not extend to being OK with you and those like you violating rights and denying liberty for the rest of us.

PhilB

[Chippertheripper]

I'm curious just how many people are usually out driving around at night when blizzard conditions are forecast for the next eight hours? Is it that much of a problem?

Ask the 2 dipshits who's vehicle got swallowed up by the eel river during the height of the storm.

[PhilB]

your argument makes way more sense here. owning a gun IS a right. a right that many states seem to be making a privilege. driving is not a gun.

Take a glance at the 9th Amendment some time.

PhilB

[jasnmar]

your argument makes way more sense here. owning a gun IS a right. a right that many states seem to be making a privilege. driving is not a gun.

So, owning a gun is a right. Travel is also a right. It is such a basic right that it isn't even mentioned in the constitution or the bill of rights. It is seen as so basic as to not require mention.

Because the technology has changed, that doesn't mean that I'm limited to owning a flintlock rifle.

Equally, because the technology has changed, that doesn't mean that I'm limited to traveling with a horse and carriage.

[xrocket21]

Yes, it is. The fact that the government doesn't screw with that right isn't what makes it a right. The fact that it's a choice you make about your own life, that doesn't violate anyone else's choices about their own lives, is what makes it a right.

I'll say it again. The whole concept of liberty is that you have the right to do anything that doesn't violate the equal rights of anyone else.

That's the basic mindset of freedom, which sadly is largely lost these days. We each have the inherent right to make our own decisions about our own lives, provided only that we respect the equal rights of others to do the same.

PhilB

Now, liberty, in case you've forgotten, is the soul's right
to breathe. And when it cannot take a long breath, laws
are girdered too tight. Without liberty, man is a syncope.

[SVRACER01]

jesus christ, when did you guys turn into a bunch of whiny bitches?
spend all this time crying that the government wont let you drive anywhere. fuck, one of you lives in NH and there was no "driving ban" and is still complaining about a "driving ban". FFS, go. drive in it. zero fucks will be given on my part unless it somehow affects me. complaining that the government is trying to protect you, were you gonna go somewhere? sounds to me that all your jobs were closed. mine was. so where are you going? oh you werent gonna go anywhere anyway because the roads suck? then STFU already. oh, you didnt get as much snow as they thought you might? TBSS...i guess im sorry precautions were taken.
everyone on here is obviously smarter than the general public, so yes, things like "driving bans" are put in place to keep the people too stupid to know better off the road. im sorry that rules are made to the lowest common denominator...but ya know...no child left behind right?

[SVRACER01]

So, owning a gun is a right. Travel is also a right. It is such a basic right that it isn't even mentioned in the constitution or the bill of rights. It is seen as so basic as to not require mention.

Because the technology has changed, that doesn't mean that I'm limited to owning a flintlock rifle.

Equally, because the technology has changed, that doesn't mean that I'm limited to traveling with a horse and carriage.

having a gun is expressly written
travel is expressly written

driving requires a license that is appointed by the state. this license awards you the privilege to drive a vehicle on public state/federal funded roadways. if the state decides to shut down those roadways and prohibit travel, then you can travel. would it be easier to just tell everyone that theyre driving privileges/license/registrations are temporarily suspended until further notice?

[nhbubba]

jesus christ, when did you guys turn into a bunch of whiny bitches?

You're the one that poked this bear.

[SVRACER01]

Take a glance at the 9th Amendment some time.

PhilB

ya ya expressed/god given rights. like i have the right to have as many children i want. "god" didnt make cars so i guess thats out

[Chippertheripper]

I drove during the ban.
I drove home from my essential job. I don't know if that was against the spirit of the rules or not, but I did so cautiously, and so as not to annoy oxx, Phil, or Jason.

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I drove during the ban.
I drove home from my essential job. I don't know if that was against the spirit of the rules or not, but I did so cautiously, and so as not to annoy oxx, Phil, or Jason.