Here comes the electric pickup

[xrocket21]

Green or red bro

it tells you in your notifications

[Gixxer]

it tells you in your notifications

I think it tells everyone who clicks on the broad area of the thumbs. I was asking bimmer boy to vote

[xrocket21]

Im gonna be honest, I dont really know whats going on here

[TheIglu]

Last time I checked most vehicles didn't burn natural gas, or.coal, or wind, or solar or nuclear etc......

There's a small correlation with distallates between transportation and energy sectors but it's not exactly a 1 for 1 trade which you seem to be implying.

This area has been removing power capacity from "dirty" energy for a while without actually replacing it with anything significant. It shouldn't be a shock that there is a generation issue that is going to cause problems moving forward. Replacing fossil fuel vehicles with EVs isn't going to do anything to help that.

Show me on the graphs this big spike in usage from EV's.

https://www.eia.gov/dashboard/newengland/electricity

[e30addict]

Show me on the graphs this big spike in usage from EV's.

https://www.eia.gov/dashboard/newengland/electricity

You want a graph for the future?

The warning was put out for this winter and there aren't a lot of EVs out there yet. Moving forward there are currently plans to remove capacity faster then there are concrete ones to replace it; just hope and dreams. It's not really a stretch to think these types of warnings will become more frequent.

This was set in motion before EVs were a big part of the equation. They aren't the problem, but they aren't gonna help either.

Still not clear on how you think removing ICE vehicles equates to more power generation. It's not a linear relationship.

[e30addict]

Also

BTM PV is projected to reduce grid demand by 3,747 GWh in 2022, rising to 7,692 GWh in 2031
EVs are expected to account for 5,934 GWh of grid demand in 2031, while ASHPs are expected to account for 3,056 GWh that year

https://www.iso-ne.com/about/key-stats/electricity-use/

And

With the transition to a power system made up of more resources with limited energy inventories (natural gas, wind, solar, battery storage), the region is losing traditional generators that have substantial on-site fuels (nuclear, oil, or coal) and can sustain extended operations during cold weather conditions for days and even weeks on end. More than 5,200 MW of oil, coal, and nuclear power plants will have retired from 2013 to 2022, and another 5,000 MW of coal- and oil-fired generation could be retiring in coming years.

https://www.iso-ne.com/about/what-we...nt-retirements

So projected increase from solar doesn't even cover the increase projected for EVs and heat pumps while losing capacity from traditional plant retiements. Problems I see there are we haven't actually met projections for increasing renewables yet so we could be woefully deficient just from the solar aspect, let alone the other renewable sources. How long has something like Cape Wind been trying to come online now, 15-20 years? Yeah things are looking great.

The above doesn't take.into account the high percentage of power from just two nuke plants here. Plants that also are nearing the end of their life...

[e30addict]

All that said, from your link, this is the current issue.

[TheIglu]

I fail to see how this is related to the army of EV's you fear that are not yet on the road. You're quote above directly states that expected EV demand (5,934 GWh) will be more than made up for by expected PV generation (7,692 GWh) by 2031.

For fuel stores this year, this is related to the war in Ukraine and the drop in russian gas/oil to the world supply. But if you want more diesel trucks on the road buying diesel, driving up demand, which would increase those costs for electricity, then point proven I guess?

[e30addict]

I fail to see how this is related to the army of EV's you fear that are not yet on the road. You're quote above directly states that expected EV demand (5,934 GWh) will be more than made up for by expected PV generation (7,692 GWh) by 2031.

For fuel stores this year, this is related to the war in Ukraine and the drop in russian gas/oil to the world supply. But if you want more diesel trucks on the road buying diesel, driving up demand, which would increase those costs for electricity, then point proven I guess?

Actually add the EVs into the heat pump numbers and it goes negative. Not to mention the fact the track record for bringing renewables online as planned isn't exactly stellar.

But you're correct, the issue this year is fuel. That we agree on. That was my original comment to PurplePackage who claims everything is fine with the grid, except of course the fuel required to power it. So physically yes, the grid is fine. Practically speaking, there are still issues, whether it be this winter or in the future.

[jhawley]

This was a pretty good read from MT
https://www.motortrend.com/features/...being-lied-to/

[TheIglu]

YEAH< BUT CHILDREN LITHIUM MINING ALL EV'S EXPLODE FIERY DEATH AND OUR GRID WILL COLLAPSE


The shit I hear is laughable. People are way too gullible.

[jimmycapp]

YEAH< BUT CHILDREN LITHIUM MINING ALL EV'S EXPLODE FIERY DEATH AND OUR GRID WILL COLLAPSE


The shit I hear is laughable. People are way too gullible.

I was eavesdropping on a table of geriatrics talking about Ev's over the summer "California couldn't keep up with charging them. I don't have time to sit for 2 hours at a charger every day. They only go 75 miles on a charge." They looked like they don't travel 75 miles in a year, let alone a day. People are dumb.

[PurplePackage]

I was eavesdropping on a table of geriatrics talking about Ev's over the summer "California couldn't keep up with charging them. I don't have time to sit for 2 hours at a charger every day. They only go 75 miles on a charge." They looked like they don't travel 75 miles in a year, let alone a day. People are dumb.

Science Technology Advances One Funeral at a Time

[PurplePackage]

Cybertruck will be 1-megawatt capable @ 1000V with Tesla V4 Superchargers.

https://electrek.co/2022/12/01/tesla...-charging-tech

[SRTie4k]

I was eavesdropping on a table of geriatrics talking about Ev's over the summer "California couldn't keep up with charging them. I don't have time to sit for 2 hours at a charger every day. They only go 75 miles on a charge." They looked like they don't travel 75 miles in a year, let alone a day. People are dumb.

My 70 year old dad, basically. Why he doesn't like electric cars: "They can only go 250 miles or so before needing a charge!"

The last time he went anywhere near a 250 mile trip was to Maple Grove Raceway Park 4 years ago. Otherwise he goes no more than 10 miles in any given direction from his house, and even that's a rarity.

I wish they'd at least be honest with themselves and everyone else and admit that change scares them. But boomers are by and large completely lacking in any type of self awareness or humility.

The irony is, introduce the internet or texting to a boomer, and marvel as once they're over all the grumbling and ranting having to use a computer/smartphone, a week later they're suddenly emailing or texting you diatribes every day of the week.

[PurplePackage]

My 70 year old dad, basically. Why he doesn't like electric cars: "They can only go 250 miles or so before needing a charge!"

The last time he went anywhere near a 250 mile trip was to Maple Grove Raceway Park 4 years ago. Otherwise he goes no more than 10 miles in any given direction from his house, and even that's a rarity.

I wish they'd at least be honest with themselves and everyone else and admit that change scares them. But boomers are by and large completely lacking in any type of self awareness or humility.

The irony is, introduce the internet or texting to a boomer, and marvel as once they're over all the grumbling and ranting having to use a computer/smartphone, a week later they're suddenly emailing or texting you diatribes every day of the week.

Boomers will be complaining when their 600-mile range, self-driving Tesla has to make a 45-minute recharge stop to reach Florida. It's a no-win situation.

[Gixxer]

@e30addict must hate this venue

[e30addict]

@e30addict must hate this venue

Offset

[Garandman]

“Everyone is an Environmentalist: until they become an Economist.”

///The irony is, introduce the internet or texting to a boomer, and marvel as once they're over all the grumbling and ranting having to use a computer/smartphone, a week later they're suddenly emailing or texting you diatribes every day of the week.

Get off my fucking lawn. (BASIC was invented in 1964 and I started using it in 1965).

The Yale article referenced by Motor Trend article @jhawley linked.

https://environment.yale.edu/news/ar...ugh-additional

“But a recent study from the Yale School of the Environment published in Nature Communications found that the total indirect emissions from electric vehicles pale in comparison to the indirect emissions from fossil fuel-powered vehicles. This is in addition to the direct emissions from combusting fossil fuels — either at the tailpipe for conventional vehicles or at the power plant smokestack for electricity generation — showing electric vehicles have a clear advantage emissions-wise over conventional vehicles.

… A major concern about electric vehicles is that the supply chain, including the mining and processing of raw materials and the manufacturing of batteries, is far from clean,” says Gillingham. “So, if we priced the carbon embodied in these processes, the expectation is electric vehicles would be exorbitantly expensive. It turns out that’s not the case; if you level the playing field by also pricing the carbon in the fossil fuel vehicle supply chain, electric vehicle sales would actually increase.”

[Garandman]

“Texas-based technology startup delivered an electric vehicle to the Army last week for testing and evaluation as part of the Pentagon’s goal to increase its fleet of battery-powered tactical vehicles.

In July, the Army awarded a $67,500 contract to Canoo, a mobility company based outside Fort Worth, for one of their light tactical vehicles that will be part of a wide-ranging test effort next year.”



https://www.washingtontimes.com/news...s-future-batt/

https://www.canoo.com/pickup

[Garandman]

If you’re for pipelines and solar fields and wind turbines, like this message please.

If you’re against, dislike this message please.

What about hydro? Wave power? Conservation?

Only thing standing between us and hydro power from Quebec is about 20% of Maine voters.

[PurplePackage]

Army gets Canoo'd

https://www.teslarati.com/canoo-deli...nits-u-s-army/

days ago, bro


Also, Honda is skating to where the pucks are and is making a deal for a secure lithium battery supply. Tesla did this last year.

https://electrek.co/2022/12/08/catl-...wer-honda-evs/

[csmutty]

What about hydro? Wave power? Conservation?

Only thing standing between us and hydro power from Quebec is about 20% of Maine voters.

I have to laugh about hydro with the extreme droughts that are being experienced right now. I really wonder what the future holds for that technology in light of the water issues.

[Gixxer]

I have to laugh about hydro with the extreme droughts that are being experienced right now. I really wonder what the future holds for that technology in light of the water issues.

You order a Maverick boo boo?

[e30addict]

I have to laugh about hydro with the extreme droughts that are being experienced right now. I really wonder what the future holds for that technology in light of the water issues.

Meh. The Hydro-Quebec network is impressive as fuck and already supplies 10% of New England's power.

We're hearing about issues with extreme drought and Lake Powell/Mead but those issues are more related to government mis-management and piss poor planning then drought.